<?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8"?><rss xmlns:dc="http://purl.org/dc/elements/1.1/" xmlns:content="http://purl.org/rss/1.0/modules/content/" xmlns:atom="http://www.w3.org/2005/Atom" version="2.0" xmlns:itunes="http://www.itunes.com/dtds/podcast-1.0.dtd" xmlns:googleplay="http://www.google.com/schemas/play-podcasts/1.0"><channel><title><![CDATA[Nuclear Barbarians]]></title><description><![CDATA[A Substack and podcast about nuclear energy, industrial history, energy politics, and more!

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Now What?]]></title><description><![CDATA[And what Indian Point has to do with it]]></description><link>https://www.nuclearbarbarians.com/p/new-york-just-banned-data-centers</link><guid isPermaLink="false">https://www.nuclearbarbarians.com/p/new-york-just-banned-data-centers</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[Emmet Penney]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Fri, 17 Jul 2026 13:01:46 GMT</pubDate><enclosure url="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!G6Hv!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Ffec586fd-bdbf-4612-be80-c9cd34323dc8_799x533.jpeg" length="0" type="image/jpeg"/><content:encoded><![CDATA[<div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!G6Hv!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Ffec586fd-bdbf-4612-be80-c9cd34323dc8_799x533.jpeg" 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class="pencraft pc-display-flex pc-gap-8 pc-reset"><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container restack-image"><svg aria-hidden="true" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 20 20" fill="none" stroke-width="1.5" stroke="var(--color-fg-primary)" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg"><g><path d="M2.53001 7.81595C3.49179 4.73911 6.43281 2.5 9.91173 2.5C13.1684 2.5 15.9537 4.46214 17.0852 7.23684L17.6179 8.67647M17.6179 8.67647L18.5002 4.26471M17.6179 8.67647L13.6473 6.91176M17.4995 12.1841C16.5378 15.2609 13.5967 17.5 10.1178 17.5C6.86118 17.5 4.07589 15.5379 2.94432 12.7632L2.41165 11.3235M2.41165 11.3235L1.5293 15.7353M2.41165 11.3235L6.38224 13.0882"></path></g></svg></button><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container view-image"><svg xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 24 24" fill="none" stroke="currentColor" stroke-width="2" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" class="lucide lucide-maximize2 lucide-maximize-2"><polyline points="15 3 21 3 21 9"></polyline><polyline points="9 21 3 21 3 15"></polyline><line x1="21" x2="14" y1="3" y2="10"></line><line x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a><figcaption class="image-caption">&#8220;July 16, 2026- Albany, NY- Governor Hochul holds a roundtable with Upstate Leaders &amp; Businesses on Nation Leading Action on Data Centers.&#8221; (<a href="https://www.flickr.com/photos/govkathyhochul/55397783148/">Darren McGee/ Office of Governor Kathy Hochul</a>)</figcaption></figure></div><div><hr></div><p><span>Earlier this week, New York became the first state to pass a statewide data center moratorium.</span></p><p><span>For the next year, data centers over 50 megawatts will no longer receive the environmental permits from the Empire State, effectively blocking their construction.</span></p><p><span>Governor Kathy Hochul spelled out the rationale for the order in a </span><a href="https://www.governor.ny.gov/news/first-statewide-moratorium-new-hyperscale-data-centers-launched-governor-kathy-hochul"><span>statement</span></a><span>: &#8220;As data center development threatens to hike up utility bills, deplete our natural resources, and create uncertainty for New Yorkers, it&#8217;s my responsibility to take action and lead.&#8221;</span></p><p><span>How much have bills purportedly gone up because of data centers? According to a widely cited Bloomberg article from last year titled &#8220;</span><a href="https://www.bloomberg.com/graphics/2025-ai-data-centers-electricity-prices/"><span>AI Data Centers Are Sending Power Bills Soaring</span></a><span>,&#8221; regions with data centers saw wholesale power prices leap up to 267 percent. Let&#8217;s call that figure Bloomberg&#8217;s Leap&#8482;.</span></p><p><span>This reporting then entered the social media echo chamber, raising the alarm. Soon, its evidence could even be found in </span><a href="https://www.warren.senate.gov/wp-content/uploads/media/doc/letters_to_data_center_companies_reutilitycosts.pdf"><span>Congressional letters</span></a><span> and hearings. A deluge of copycat stories appeared in the story&#8217;s wake.</span></p><p><span>With media&#8212;social and traditional&#8212;singing from the same hymnal, the political pressure to intervene has weighed heavily on many politicians. No wonder Hochul stepped into the fray.</span></p><p><span>Except Bloomberg got it wrong&#8212;by a lot.</span></p><p><span>So wrong, in fact, that Bloomberg didn&#8217;t realize their headline stat had far more to do with an entirely different power sector fumble: the closure of New York&#8217;s Indian Point nuclear power plant.</span></p><div><hr></div><p><span>Vetting Bloomberg&#8217;s Leap&#8482; requires relatively simple analysis: check the wholesale electricity prices (a small but volatile component of electricity bills) between April 2020 and April 2025 at a bunch of price nodes, and then see if data centers sit within 50 miles of the nodes.</span></p><p><span>From there, you can surface where the 267% increase happened and what caused it.</span></p><p><span>So, within that set of nodes, which ones saw Bloomberg&#8217;s Leap&#8482; between April of 2020 and April of 2025?</span></p><p><span>Here they are:</span></p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a 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So, Bloomberg&#8217;s Leap&#8482; is real&#8212;at least, real in Brooklyn.</span></p><p><span>But let&#8217;s take a second look at Bloomberg&#8217;s time-scale. April 2020. What was going on in April of 2020? It wasn&#8217;t the start of a great data center buildout, but it </span><em><span>was</span></em><span> a very special month.</span></p><p><span>Covid, anyone?</span></p><p><span>April of 2020 is also the lowest priced month in recorded EIA history since 2001. Even a return to normal would look like a spike by comparison, let alone accommodating massive data center demand.</span></p><p><span>Speaking of, how much data center demand came online at this node between April 2020 and April 2025? Turns out, the analysis didn&#8217;t even check.</span></p><p><span>There are about 95 live data center facilities within 50 miles of the Brooklyn node, totaling 613 MW of capacity.</span></p><p><span>But almost all of those data centers were built </span><em><span>before</span></em><span> 2020. These are old school servers, built for the digital services of America&#8217;s largest city. 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stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" class="lucide lucide-maximize2 lucide-maximize-2"><polyline points="15 3 21 3 21 9"></polyline><polyline points="9 21 3 21 3 15"></polyline><line x1="21" x2="14" y1="3" y2="10"></line><line x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a></figure></div><p><span>For scale, many data centers in the construction pipeline are two orders of magnitude bigger that the 10.2 MW of data center demand added to the Brooklyn node after 2020.</span></p><p><span>But in this time period, a big change did ripple across this region. Less than 50 miles away, Indian Point was sending NYC 2,000 MW of power. Then it stopped. When the plant shut down (Unit 2 in April of 2020; Unit 3 in April of 2021), NYC lost vital baseload power 200 times greater than data center growth in this region.</span></p><p><span>That plummet in power supply left NYC vulnerable to wholesale price increases. Thus, Bloomberg confused a supply shock for a demand signal and then saddled data centers with the blame.</span></p><p><span>That&#8217;s a shame, because the </span><a href="https://arxiv.org/pdf/2606.19777"><span>currently available data</span></a><span> says otherwise. Data centers have had a </span>largely <span>salutary impact on prices, </span><a href="https://x.com/CityJournal/status/2077092838630735935?s=20"><span>while bad policies have driven up people&#8217;s bills</span></a><span> (</span><a href="https://www.thefp.com/p/data-centers-are-not-the-villain?utm_source=google&amp;utm_medium=paid-search&amp;utm_campaign=pmax&amp;utm_adgroup=1&amp;utm_term=&amp;utm_matchtype=&amp;wm_source=google&amp;wm_medium=ads&amp;wm_ad_id=&amp;wm_adgroup_id=&amp;gad_source=1&amp;gad_campaignid=23996383669&amp;gbraid=0AAAAApHxamHOZbGb003WBQ9cWGEl35eMV&amp;gclid=Cj0KCQjwguLSBhDLARIsAH-yPrF1TA02RLsQkVw14c9ebAGqTyxZPnGI51xqaL8zGtH2tDvRdJeRe5MaAugEEALw_wcB"><span>as I have been saying!</span></a><span>).</span></p><div><hr></div><div class="subscription-widget-wrap-editor" data-attrs="{&quot;url&quot;:&quot;https://www.nuclearbarbarians.com/subscribe?&quot;,&quot;text&quot;:&quot;Subscribe&quot;,&quot;language&quot;:&quot;en&quot;}" data-component-name="SubscribeWidgetToDOM"><div class="subscription-widget show-subscribe"><div class="preamble"><p class="cta-caption">To receive new posts and support my work, consider becoming a subscriber.</p></div><form class="subscription-widget-subscribe"><input type="email" class="email-input" name="email" placeholder="Type your email&#8230;" tabindex="-1"><input type="submit" class="button primary" value="Subscribe"><div class="fake-input-wrapper"><div class="fake-input"></div><div class="fake-button"></div></div></form></div></div><div><hr></div><p><span>Gov. Hochul has </span><a href="https://www.ans.org/news/2026-01-15/article-7677/hochul-upgrades-nuclear-vision-for-ny/"><span>big ambitions</span></a><span> for nuclear power in New York. But it&#8217;s the &#8220;hyperscalers&#8221; building data centers who have become the largest investors and strongest supporters of nuclear power in the country. It&#8217;s their contracts, their demand, and their willingness to pay more for firm and clean power that&#8217;s driving the nuclear renaissance.</span></p><p><span>A year-long moratorium misidentifies data centers&#8217; role in the power sector. Data centers are fundamentally new ratepayers. They pay their bills and have shown a tremendous willingness to pay more: for speed, for clean energy, and for firm power.</span></p><p><span>So, if Gov. Hochul and the Empire State aimed to refuge their constituents from rising power prices and invest in their grid, they made the exact wrong decision.</span></p><p><span>In fact, New York is liable to lose out on a massive influx of capital, an economic shot in the arm for any community that hosts a data center. </span><a href="https://www.city-journal.org/article/loudoun-county-virginia-data-centers-construction"><span>Just take a look at &#8220;Data Center Alley&#8221; in Loudoun County, Virginia</span></a><span>, where the data center boom has brought in $1 billion a year in tax revenue, around 45 percent of the county&#8217;s total tax revenue.</span></p><p><span>Other examples stand out. Consider Meta&#8217;s </span><a href="https://www.opportunitylouisiana.gov/news/meta-commits-more-than-50-billion-for-north-louisiana-project-becoming-one-of-the-largest-data-centers-in-history"><span>Richland Parish data center expansion in Louisiana.</span></a><span> Thanks to the buildout, teachers will receive bonuses up to $50,000, a 400 percent increase from the previous year. </span><a href="https://about.fb.com/news/2026/07/teachers-local-businesses-win-as-meta-expands-louisiana-data-center/"><span>That&#8217;s just one item out of a whole raft of related benefits.</span></a></p><p><span>And then there&#8217;s Google&#8217;s </span><a href="https://www.gstatic.com/marketing-cms/7c/43/c55cf6bf4994b26aaa96accb884f/2024-impact-study-oklahoma.pdf"><span>impact</span></a><span> on Oklahoma, which Senator Markwayne Mullin (now Sec. Mullin) described as a &#8220;</span><a href="https://sapulpatimes.com/mullin-in-sapulpa-data-centers-could-be-game-changer-for-rural-oklahoma/"><span>game changer</span></a><span>&#8221; for the state&#8217;s infrastructure and education systems. Google&#8217;s $15 billion buildout has </span><a href="https://datacenters.google/locations/oklahoma/"><span>provided</span></a><span> rural Oklahomans with billions in associated economic activity.</span></p><p><span>Hochul may </span><a href="https://heatmap.news/daily/data-centers-blue-states"><span>think</span></a><span> that initiating a brief pause in her state&#8217;s data center surge will help align stakeholders, but opportunities like the above will pass her constituents by in the meantime. And the odds that this one-year moratorium hardens into a general ban are far from non-zero.</span></p><p><span>Here&#8217;s the punchline: the data center boom has forked the future along two paths&#8212;the way of &#8220;No&#8221; and the way of &#8220;Yes.&#8221;</span></p><p><span>&#8220;No&#8221; is simple, easy, demands little thought in the way of trade-offs. Like nursing resentments, &#8220;no&#8221; offers the illusion of empowerment whilst maintaining the reality of the status quo. Perhaps that explains why the data center backlash is so often driven by diffuse anger, &#8220;vibes,&#8221; and sloppy analysis.</span></p><p><span>&#8220;Yes,&#8221; on the other hand, demands work: negotiation, forethought, and prudence. It requires steel and iron; land and heat and toil. But &#8220;yes&#8221; brings with it generational prosperity.</span></p><p><span>Zooming out to assess the national picture, it&#8217;s hard to pinpoint any other dynamic that&#8217;s shaping American politics more profoundly than these forking paths over the next ten years.</span></p><p><span>Choose wisely.</span></p><div><hr></div><p class="button-wrapper" data-attrs="{&quot;url&quot;:&quot;https://www.nuclearbarbarians.com/subscribe?&quot;,&quot;text&quot;:&quot;Subscribe now&quot;,&quot;action&quot;:null,&quot;class&quot;:null}" data-component-name="ButtonCreateButton"><a class="button primary" href="https://www.nuclearbarbarians.com/subscribe?"><span>Subscribe now</span></a></p><p class="button-wrapper" data-attrs="{&quot;url&quot;:&quot;https://www.nuclearbarbarians.com/p/new-york-just-banned-data-centers?utm_source=substack&utm_medium=email&utm_content=share&action=share&quot;,&quot;text&quot;:&quot;Share&quot;,&quot;action&quot;:null,&quot;class&quot;:null}" data-component-name="ButtonCreateButton"><a class="button primary" href="https://www.nuclearbarbarians.com/p/new-york-just-banned-data-centers?utm_source=substack&utm_medium=email&utm_content=share&action=share"><span>Share</span></a></p><div><hr></div><p></p>]]></content:encoded></item><item><title><![CDATA[The Critical Moment ft. Matt Loszak (Aalo Atomics)]]></title><description><![CDATA[Late in the night on July 4th, Aalo Atomics took their test reactor critical.]]></description><link>https://www.nuclearbarbarians.com/p/the-critical-moment-ft-matt-loszak</link><guid isPermaLink="false">https://www.nuclearbarbarians.com/p/the-critical-moment-ft-matt-loszak</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[Emmet Penney]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Tue, 07 Jul 2026 12:02:26 GMT</pubDate><enclosure url="https://api.substack.com/feed/podcast/205655585/557aa017b0262211c753141605ca3f91.mp3" length="0" type="audio/mpeg"/><content:encoded><![CDATA[<div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!eknL!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Ffe7fad8e-7a62-4a14-a14d-f08eaa884564_1216x684.png" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source 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In this episode, Aalo&#8217;s co-founder and CEO, Matt Loszak, returned to speak with me about the company&#8217;s experience in the DOE&#8217;s reactor pilot program. The conversation took a fascinating look at moving fast and building things&#8212;from sourcing materials to cultivating mindset. </p><p>We recorded this a few weeks ago in anticipation of Aalo&#8217;s success. Needless to say I was not<em> </em>surprised when the team got it over the line. Huge congratulations to them and everyone else in the pilot program.</p><p>You can read more about their criticality <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/feed/update/urn:li:activity:7479887920166793216/">here</a>.</p>]]></content:encoded></item><item><title><![CDATA[Powering the Moonbase ft. 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class="image-link-expand"><div class="pencraft pc-display-flex pc-gap-8 pc-reset"><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container restack-image"><svg aria-hidden="true" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 20 20" fill="none" stroke-width="1.5" stroke="var(--color-fg-primary)" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg"><g><path d="M2.53001 7.81595C3.49179 4.73911 6.43281 2.5 9.91173 2.5C13.1684 2.5 15.9537 4.46214 17.0852 7.23684L17.6179 8.67647M17.6179 8.67647L18.5002 4.26471M17.6179 8.67647L13.6473 6.91176M17.4995 12.1841C16.5378 15.2609 13.5967 17.5 10.1178 17.5C6.86118 17.5 4.07589 15.5379 2.94432 12.7632L2.41165 11.3235M2.41165 11.3235L1.5293 15.7353M2.41165 11.3235L6.38224 13.0882"></path></g></svg></button><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container view-image"><svg xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 24 24" fill="none" stroke="currentColor" stroke-width="2" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" class="lucide lucide-maximize2 lucide-maximize-2"><polyline points="15 3 21 3 21 9"></polyline><polyline points="9 21 3 21 3 15"></polyline><line x1="21" x2="14" y1="3" y2="10"></line><line x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a></figure></div><div><hr></div><p>This is the first in a series of check-ins with previous guests about the unfolding nuclear renaissance. In this episode, Tyler Bernstein, CEO and co-founder of Zeno Power, returns to talk with me about Zeno&#8217;s progress (<a href="https://www.nuclearbarbarians.com/p/seafloor-icecap-moon-ft-tyler-bernstein">check out our first episode here</a>). We chop it up about the importance of Trump&#8217;s EOs, NASA&#8217;s commitment to a permanent lunar base, and&#8212;wait! I&#8217;m burying the lede. </p><p><a href="https://www.zenopower.com/announcements/zeno-power-industrializes-nuclear-battery-production-at-historic-vallecitos-nuclear-center">Zeno has just acquired Vallecitos Nuclear Center in California</a>, the first commercially owned nuclear plant. Though the plant itself is decommissioned,  Zeno will be using its hot cells to industrialize the production of their nuclear batteries. My conversation with Tyler made the nuclear renaissance feel all the more real. </p><p>The thumbnail for this episode is a photo of one of the hot cells; to see more (as we discuss in the episode), you can check out this video:</p><div id="youtube2-sK1pRTAR6LY" class="youtube-wrap" data-attrs="{&quot;videoId&quot;:&quot;sK1pRTAR6LY&quot;,&quot;startTime&quot;:null,&quot;endTime&quot;:null}" data-component-name="Youtube2ToDOM"><div class="youtube-inner"><iframe src="https://www.youtube-nocookie.com/embed/sK1pRTAR6LY?rel=0&amp;autoplay=0&amp;showinfo=0&amp;enablejsapi=0" frameborder="0" loading="lazy" gesture="media" allow="autoplay; fullscreen" allowautoplay="true" allowfullscreen="true" width="728" height="409"></iframe></div></div>]]></content:encoded></item><item><title><![CDATA[Can I Be Fusionpilled? Ft. Andrew Holland (Fusion Industry Association)]]></title><description><![CDATA[I'll admit, I'm a bit of a fusion skeptic.]]></description><link>https://www.nuclearbarbarians.com/p/can-i-be-fusionpilled-ft-andrew-holland</link><guid isPermaLink="false">https://www.nuclearbarbarians.com/p/can-i-be-fusionpilled-ft-andrew-holland</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[Emmet Penney]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Wed, 20 May 2026 13:01:48 GMT</pubDate><enclosure url="https://api.substack.com/feed/podcast/198467650/f22294fd039d60aceb7452aa3f287722.mp3" length="0" type="audio/mpeg"/><content:encoded><![CDATA[<div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!_GW_!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Ff0d917b7-91d9-44f4-bc84-aacb6dc0673c_1200x1500.png" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!_GW_!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Ff0d917b7-91d9-44f4-bc84-aacb6dc0673c_1200x1500.png 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!_GW_!,w_848,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Ff0d917b7-91d9-44f4-bc84-aacb6dc0673c_1200x1500.png 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!_GW_!,w_1272,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Ff0d917b7-91d9-44f4-bc84-aacb6dc0673c_1200x1500.png 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!_GW_!,w_1456,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Ff0d917b7-91d9-44f4-bc84-aacb6dc0673c_1200x1500.png 1456w" sizes="100vw"><img 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But! There are exciting things happening in the fusion industry these days. So, I brought <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/andrew-holland-39240911/">Andrew Holland</a>, CEO of the <a href="https://www.fusionindustryassociation.org/">Fusion Industry Association</a>, to talk to me about why things are looking up for fission's avant-garde cousin. Andrew's candor, insight, and enthusiasm made him a great guest. I had questions about everything from break-even hurdles to robotics and he handled it all with aplomb. I came away from this episode convinced that regardless of how near or far away commercial fusion may be, America should invest in R&amp;D to try and crack it: the tech is too cool and the lessons we'll learn along the way too valuable.</p>]]></content:encoded></item><item><title><![CDATA[Waste Not, Want Not ft. Carl Perez (Exodys)]]></title><description><![CDATA[In today&#8217;s episode, I got to talk about something near and dear to my heart (nuclear waste reprocessing) with Carl Perez of Exodys Energy, a nuclear waste reprocessing company.]]></description><link>https://www.nuclearbarbarians.com/p/waste-not-want-not-ft-carl-perez</link><guid isPermaLink="false">https://www.nuclearbarbarians.com/p/waste-not-want-not-ft-carl-perez</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[Emmet Penney]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Tue, 03 Mar 2026 18:02:05 GMT</pubDate><enclosure url="https://api.substack.com/feed/podcast/189771362/0211d4c3587b6bd3873c99c9941d7b83.mp3" length="0" type="audio/mpeg"/><content:encoded><![CDATA[<div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" 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Carl is a wealth of knowledge, as you&#8217;ll hear in the episode. We discuss the basics of waste reprocessing, the history of the industry, what makes Exodys stand out, and why getting waste reprocessing right will change the world.  </p><p><a href="https://www.exodysenergy.com/">Check out Exodys here.</a></p><p></p>]]></content:encoded></item><item><title><![CDATA[Energy Dominance Financing ft. 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We talk about her admiration for Admiral Hyman Rickover, the nature of the EDF, financing large light water reactors and small modular reactors, why the EDF&#8217;s operations are vital to a nuclear renaissance in America, and more!</p><p>I felt really lucky to speak with Julie. I&#8217;m a huge fan of hers and a major supporter of the EDF&#8217;s work. </p><p><a href="https://www.energy.gov/EDF">Read more about the EDF here!</a></p><div><hr></div><p class="button-wrapper" data-attrs="{&quot;url&quot;:&quot;https://www.nuclearbarbarians.com/subscribe?&quot;,&quot;text&quot;:&quot;Subscribe now&quot;,&quot;action&quot;:null,&quot;class&quot;:null}" data-component-name="ButtonCreateButton"><a class="button primary" href="https://www.nuclearbarbarians.com/subscribe?"><span>Subscribe now</span></a></p><p></p>]]></content:encoded></item><item><title><![CDATA[Forward Operating Microreactors ft. Jeff Waksman (US Army)]]></title><description><![CDATA[For this episode, my guest is Jeff Waksman, whose official title is Principal Deputy Assistant Secretary of the Army for Installations, Energy and Environment.]]></description><link>https://www.nuclearbarbarians.com/p/forward-operating-microreactors</link><guid isPermaLink="false">https://www.nuclearbarbarians.com/p/forward-operating-microreactors</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[Emmet Penney]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Thu, 15 Jan 2026 13:03:17 GMT</pubDate><enclosure url="https://api.substack.com/feed/podcast/184595596/ee24fc4fca57760ac8acabb1095ce03a.mp3" length="0" type="audio/mpeg"/><content:encoded><![CDATA[<div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!Y5An!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fec54318c-ed40-4e3c-9a64-43faf3f8f292_1920x1080.jpeg" 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That&#8217;s a long title. In brief, he&#8217;s trying to get microreactors built for the US Army via the Janus Program. We discussed the nature of the program, unforeseen challenges in hard tech, why the Army is pursuing microreactors, and more!</p><p>You can learn more about Janus <a href="https://www.army.mil/article/289074/army_announces_next_steps_on_janus_program_for_next_generation_nuclear_energy">here</a>.</p><p><a href="https://x.com/Waksman84">And you can follow Jeff Waksman on X</a>&#8212;which I heartily recommend.</p><div><hr></div><p class="button-wrapper" data-attrs="{&quot;url&quot;:&quot;https://www.nuclearbarbarians.com/subscribe?&quot;,&quot;text&quot;:&quot;Subscribe now&quot;,&quot;action&quot;:null,&quot;class&quot;:null}" data-component-name="ButtonCreateButton"><a class="button primary" href="https://www.nuclearbarbarians.com/subscribe?"><span>Subscribe now</span></a></p><p></p>]]></content:encoded></item><item><title><![CDATA[We Need More AP-1000s]]></title><description><![CDATA[My conversation with Sec. Chris Wright and our new white paper on fleet-scale nuclear]]></description><link>https://www.nuclearbarbarians.com/p/we-need-more-ap-1000s</link><guid isPermaLink="false">https://www.nuclearbarbarians.com/p/we-need-more-ap-1000s</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[Emmet Penney]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Mon, 17 Nov 2025 19:59:55 GMT</pubDate><enclosure url="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!GrZ7!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Faa5c381d-f947-49cd-ad34-021c18fecd76_1902x2048.jpeg" length="0" type="image/jpeg"/><content:encoded><![CDATA[<div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!GrZ7!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Faa5c381d-f947-49cd-ad34-021c18fecd76_1902x2048.jpeg" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div 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Wright at the FAI &#8216;25 American Innovation Gala. </figcaption></figure></div><div><hr></div><p>Last week, I had the great pleasure of interviewing Energy Secretary Chris Wright at the <a href="https://www.thefai.org/">Foundation for American Innovation</a>&#8217;s <a href="https://innovationgala.org/">American Innovation Gala</a>. We discussed the lessons he&#8217;s learned in his move from Liberty Energy CEO to Energy Secretary, his vision for American energy dominance, and some of his biggest wins at DOE. Unsurprisingly, nuclear featured high on his list&#8212;especially nuclear financing.</p><p>Wright <a href="https://x.com/SiegelScribe/status/1989351140526551398">explained</a> that the DOE&#8217;s bank, the Loans Program Office, has &#8220;a lot of money at low interest rates&#8221; ready to lend to &#8220;credit-worthy borrowers.&#8221;</p><p>I completely agree with Sec. Wright. In fact, FAI Non-Resident Senior Fellow Madi Hilly and I just published a <a href="https://www.thefai.org/posts/fleet-scale-the-case-for-large-modular-reactors">white paper</a> making the case for a fleet-scale build of AP-1000s via the LPO. We walk through the case for big reactors, the grisly history of the first AP-1000 builds, the financing available for fleet-scale AP-1000s, and additional policy levers we could pull to support the build.</p><p>For the record, the LPO is a <a href="https://www.greentape.pub/p/the-lpo-is-already-efficient">highly efficient lender</a>. It has over $200 billion to lend to new nuclear. President Trump, <a href="https://www.federalregister.gov/documents/2025/05/29/2025-09801/reinvigorating-the-nuclear-industrial-base">in one of his executive orders</a>, tasked the DOE with &#8220;prioritiz[ing] work with the nuclear energy industry to . . . have 10 new large reactors with complete designs under construction by 2030&#8221; in &#8220;order to maximize the speed and scale of new nuclear capacity.&#8221; The LPO is the vehicle for achieving this goal.</p><div><hr></div><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!RTO4!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F67aedbfd-a284-4dba-86e5-6bf567b86fcd_1306x686.png" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" 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stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" class="lucide lucide-maximize2 lucide-maximize-2"><polyline points="15 3 21 3 21 9"></polyline><polyline points="9 21 3 21 3 15"></polyline><line x1="21" x2="14" y1="3" y2="10"></line><line x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a><figcaption class="image-caption"><a href="https://cdn.sanity.io/files/d8lrla4f/staging/65c06f886bcd088cbad0b8cb96e554fb0f662046.pdf">Our white paper.</a></figcaption></figure></div><div><hr></div><p>Westinghouse&#8217;s AP-1000, which debuted at Vogtle in Georgia, is the only reactor that both meets those criteria and that America has experience building. We need to build more of them, especially since the AP-1000 boasts some serious technical advantages.</p><div><hr></div><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!SxAv!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fc824472e-d61c-42ac-bd34-c37d98281d3e_1126x552.png" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!SxAv!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fc824472e-d61c-42ac-bd34-c37d98281d3e_1126x552.png 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!SxAv!,w_848,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fc824472e-d61c-42ac-bd34-c37d98281d3e_1126x552.png 848w, 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stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" class="lucide lucide-maximize2 lucide-maximize-2"><polyline points="15 3 21 3 21 9"></polyline><polyline points="9 21 3 21 3 15"></polyline><line x1="21" x2="14" y1="3" y2="10"></line><line x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a><figcaption class="image-caption"><a href="https://www.oecd-nea.org/upload/docs/application/pdf/2020-07/7530-reducing-cost-nuclear-construction.pdf">Source.</a></figcaption></figure></div><div><hr></div><p>By repping out AP-1000s, we can drive down the construction times and costs through economies of repetition. With financing from the LPO and the Investment Tax Credit, there has never been a more conducive environment for large nuclear builds in America. But we can do more!</p><div><hr></div><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!Wx3s!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fe8c80f47-1a6f-481d-a716-6091f941a28f_1264x684.png" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!Wx3s!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fe8c80f47-1a6f-481d-a716-6091f941a28f_1264x684.png 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!Wx3s!,w_848,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fe8c80f47-1a6f-481d-a716-6091f941a28f_1264x684.png 848w, 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stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" class="lucide lucide-maximize2 lucide-maximize-2"><polyline points="15 3 21 3 21 9"></polyline><polyline points="9 21 3 21 3 15"></polyline><line x1="21" x2="14" y1="3" y2="10"></line><line x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a><figcaption class="image-caption"><a href="https://cdn.sanity.io/files/d8lrla4f/staging/65c06f886bcd088cbad0b8cb96e554fb0f662046.pdf">Our white paper.</a></figcaption></figure></div><div><hr></div><p>Here are three other levers to pull in order of importance:</p><ol><li><p><strong>Allow &#8220;Double Dipping.&#8221;</strong></p></li></ol><p>The LPO&#8217;s ability to lend is encumbered by the &#8220;denial of double benefits&#8221; clause in the Inflation Reduction Act. Essentially, the clause bars the LPO from lending to successive portions of a project&#8212;&#8220;for example, a long-lead-items loan followed by construction-stage project financing.&#8221; This inhibits the LPO&#8217;s efficiency as a lender.</p><p>In our new paper, we argue that Congress should &#8220;amend the IRA&#8217;s &#8216;denial of double benefits&#8217; provision as it applies to Title XVII. At a minimum, Congress should clarify that (1) multiple LPO guarantees for distinct phases, tranches, or scopes of the same nuclear project are permissible so long as the aggregate guaranteed amount does not exceed 80 percent of eligible project costs and (2) the restriction does not apply to projects with federal offtake agreements below a specified share of the nameplate capacity of an individual project or project portfolio.&#8221;</p><ol start="2"><li><p><strong>Raise the Tennessee Valley Authority&#8217;s debt cap.</strong></p></li></ol><p>The TVA is the largest public power entity in America. It could become a powerhouse AP-1000 builder, but its debt cap has been set at $30 billion since the 1970s. As we write, &#8220;Pegging the TVA&#8217;s debt cap to even half of inflation would more than double its debt cap to $67 billion. The TVA, as an expression of the executive branch&#8217;s will, could then commit to an AP-1000 buildout.&#8221; To do this, Congress must lift its debt cap.</p><ol start="3"><li><p><strong>Establish Regional Consortia.</strong></p></li></ol><p>States could also play a role by forming consortia to welcome new AP-1000s. We write, &#8220;States could convene meetings with their respective utilities to iron out a preliminary agreement on the AP-1000 as a chosen reactor type, deployment queueing, offtake for power, and so on. Such an approach could be particularly helpful for regions with a less robust history of nuclear power operations, where siting and offtake opportunities are less established and thus less known.&#8221;</p><p>There&#8217;s more states can do, of course. My colleague at FAI, <a href="https://x.com/Allinallnotbad">Sam Roland</a>, has just updated our <em><a href="https://permittingscorecard.com/">State Permitting Playbook</a></em> to help states improve their permitting laws. He&#8217;s also working on a state nuclear playbook, which will come out soon.</p><div><hr></div><p>America needs more <a href="https://www.nuclearbarbarians.com/p/a-republic-of-industrial-cathedrals">Industrial Cathedrals.</a> The suite of policy tools we have at hand are truly revolutionary. As Wright said at our gala, &#8220;I&#8217;ve heard about the nuclear renaissance for 20 years. We are all in to make it happen.&#8221;</p><p>Let&#8217;s build.</p><p><a href="https://cdn.sanity.io/files/d8lrla4f/staging/65c06f886bcd088cbad0b8cb96e554fb0f662046.pdf">Read the full paper here</a>.</p><div><hr></div><div class="subscription-widget-wrap-editor" data-attrs="{&quot;url&quot;:&quot;https://www.nuclearbarbarians.com/subscribe?&quot;,&quot;text&quot;:&quot;Subscribe&quot;,&quot;language&quot;:&quot;en&quot;}" data-component-name="SubscribeWidgetToDOM"><div class="subscription-widget show-subscribe"><div class="preamble"><p class="cta-caption">Nuclear Barbarians is a reader-supported publication. To receive new posts and support my work, consider becoming a free subscriber.</p></div><form class="subscription-widget-subscribe"><input type="email" class="email-input" name="email" placeholder="Type your email&#8230;" tabindex="-1"><input type="submit" class="button primary" value="Subscribe"><div class="fake-input-wrapper"><div class="fake-input"></div><div class="fake-button"></div></div></form></div></div><p></p><p></p>]]></content:encoded></item><item><title><![CDATA[Perpetuating the Nuclear Lifecycle ft. Ken Rueter (UCOR)]]></title><description><![CDATA[One of the best parts of running this podcast is the chance to learn about aspects of the nuclear industry I know little about.]]></description><link>https://www.nuclearbarbarians.com/p/perpetuating-the-nuclear-lifecycle</link><guid isPermaLink="false">https://www.nuclearbarbarians.com/p/perpetuating-the-nuclear-lifecycle</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[Emmet Penney]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Thu, 13 Nov 2025 13:01:42 GMT</pubDate><enclosure url="https://api.substack.com/feed/podcast/178710577/2306d9d1eb68be49b9521a89656e5c3c.mp3" length="0" type="audio/mpeg"/><content:encoded><![CDATA[<div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!Lkqb!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F5ee2afdb-b3f1-492a-8a0e-37935fd83189_1944x1480.jpeg" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!Lkqb!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F5ee2afdb-b3f1-492a-8a0e-37935fd83189_1944x1480.jpeg 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!Lkqb!,w_848,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F5ee2afdb-b3f1-492a-8a0e-37935fd83189_1944x1480.jpeg 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!Lkqb!,w_1272,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F5ee2afdb-b3f1-492a-8a0e-37935fd83189_1944x1480.jpeg 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!Lkqb!,w_1456,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F5ee2afdb-b3f1-492a-8a0e-37935fd83189_1944x1480.jpeg 1456w" 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Today&#8217;s guest, the President and CEO of United Clean Up Oak Ridge, taught me all about remediating nuclear sites. UCOR, the DOE&#8217;s contractor for the Oak Ridge Reservation, boasts an impressive suite of expertise and logistical acumen dedicated to turning over former Manhattan Project sites for civilian and government use. Ken broke down the steps of remediation and the heavy machinery needed (including robots!) to deliver on these projects. I really appreciated the beauty of his vision: remediating Manhattan project sites to spur the nuclear renaissance.</p><p>This episode brought out the little kid in me. A huge thank you to Ken for making the time for our discussion. </p><p>You can learn more about UCOR <a href="https://ucor.com/">here</a>. </p>]]></content:encoded></item><item><title><![CDATA[Texatomica ft. Reed Clay (Texas Nuclear Alliance)]]></title><description><![CDATA[Reed Clay, President of the Texas Nuclear Alliance, joined me today to talk about how Texas is gearing up for the nuclear renaissance.]]></description><link>https://www.nuclearbarbarians.com/p/texatomica-ft-reed-clay-texas-nuclear</link><guid isPermaLink="false">https://www.nuclearbarbarians.com/p/texatomica-ft-reed-clay-texas-nuclear</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[Emmet Penney]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Fri, 31 Oct 2025 13:03:15 GMT</pubDate><enclosure url="https://api.substack.com/feed/podcast/177306224/34f5d3ab45e0097f7f21a67c0e49c82d.mp3" length="0" type="audio/mpeg"/><content:encoded><![CDATA[<div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!BgzS!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F02f9cb20-5ed7-43cb-be72-d70059f8d81e_5506x4016.jpeg" 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We discussed how he came to support nuclear by learning about waste, what has set Texas&#8217;s nuclear strategy apart from other states, how TNA&#8217;s annual summit is shaping the national nuclear landscape, and Reed&#8217;s advice for other states that want to become nuclear hubs. </p><p>Reed is a humble, hard-working guy and it was a pleasure to speak with him. </p><div><hr></div><p class="button-wrapper" data-attrs="{&quot;url&quot;:&quot;https://www.nuclearbarbarians.com/subscribe?&quot;,&quot;text&quot;:&quot;Subscribe now&quot;,&quot;action&quot;:null,&quot;class&quot;:null}" data-component-name="ButtonCreateButton"><a class="button primary" href="https://www.nuclearbarbarians.com/subscribe?"><span>Subscribe now</span></a></p>]]></content:encoded></item><item><title><![CDATA[Samuel Insull: Father of Light Pt. IV]]></title><description><![CDATA[Downfall]]></description><link>https://www.nuclearbarbarians.com/p/samuel-insull-father-of-light-pt</link><guid isPermaLink="false">https://www.nuclearbarbarians.com/p/samuel-insull-father-of-light-pt</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[Emmet Penney]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Thu, 30 Oct 2025 20:17:15 GMT</pubDate><enclosure url="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!xk7G!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fb0b0b7b5-1103-432a-b52c-f9fbf979b03f_800x1063.png" length="0" type="image/jpeg"/><content:encoded><![CDATA[<div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!xk7G!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fb0b0b7b5-1103-432a-b52c-f9fbf979b03f_800x1063.png" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div 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class="pencraft pc-display-flex pc-gap-8 pc-reset"><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container restack-image"><svg aria-hidden="true" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 20 20" fill="none" stroke-width="1.5" stroke="var(--color-fg-primary)" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg"><g><path d="M2.53001 7.81595C3.49179 4.73911 6.43281 2.5 9.91173 2.5C13.1684 2.5 15.9537 4.46214 17.0852 7.23684L17.6179 8.67647M17.6179 8.67647L18.5002 4.26471M17.6179 8.67647L13.6473 6.91176M17.4995 12.1841C16.5378 15.2609 13.5967 17.5 10.1178 17.5C6.86118 17.5 4.07589 15.5379 2.94432 12.7632L2.41165 11.3235M2.41165 11.3235L1.5293 15.7353M2.41165 11.3235L6.38224 13.0882"></path></g></svg></button><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container view-image"><svg xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 24 24" fill="none" stroke="currentColor" stroke-width="2" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" class="lucide lucide-maximize2 lucide-maximize-2"><polyline points="15 3 21 3 21 9"></polyline><polyline points="9 21 3 21 3 15"></polyline><line x1="21" x2="14" y1="3" y2="10"></line><line x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a><figcaption class="image-caption"><em>Time Magazine</em>, Volume 23 Issue 20, May 14, 1934. </figcaption></figure></div><div><hr></div><p>Before you read this one, check out <a href="https://nuclearbarbarians.substack.com/p/samuel-insull-the-father-of-light">Part I</a>, <a href="https://www.nuclearbarbarians.com/p/samuel-insull-the-father-of-light-54d">Part II</a>, and <a href="https://www.nuclearbarbarians.com/p/samuel-insull-the-father-of-light-b45">Part III</a>!</p><div><hr></div><p>In 1926, Insull gave $160,000 to Illinois Republican Senate Candidate Frank Smith, who went on to win the party nomination in a hard-fought primary against Senator William McKinley. Before becoming a senator, Smith had served as the chairman of the Illinois Commerce Commission, which regulated Insull&#8217;s utilities. Perhaps Insull justified the obvious conflict of interest by telling himself that buying a senator was a calculated risk&#8212;one that would exact revenge against a long-resented political opponent and business competitor. To the public, however, Insull simply denied the obvious, stating that the Illinois Commerce Commission had &#8220;never granted any of my companies anything they were not strictly entitled to.&#8221; While Smith had never been &#8220;Insull&#8217;s boy&#8221;&#8212;he had blocked all of Insull&#8217;s rate hikes during his tenure as chairman, in addition to approving rate cuts totaling $42 million&#8212;the picture looked ugly.</p><p>The Senate protected its reputation against corruption allegations by refusing to seat Smith, nullifying his election, and launching an investigation into campaign corruption. The investigation spanned two years, during which newspapers dragged Insull&#8217;s name through the dirt from coast to coast. (News magnate William Randolph Hearst was a friend of Insull&#8217;s who assured him it wasn&#8217;t personal; but Hearst, the leading purveyor of &#8220;yellow journalism,&#8221; was never one to let mere friendship get in the way of sales). When the Senate committee brought Insull in for questioning, he initially refused to divulge his campaign contributions for fear that the evidence would damage the other campaigns he was bankrolling in upcoming municipal elections. The Senate held him in contempt of Congress, the consequences of which Insull dodged by releasing the details of his contributions himself&#8212;<em>after </em>the municipal elections, when the evidence could no longer hurt him or his politicians. He displayed no remorse and repented not at all.</p><p>Insull got off, but his growing success, combined with the visibility of his hand in political affairs, began to draw the ire of Progressive holdovers, including Senator George Norris of Nebraska. Norris was a die hard public power activist who despised the utility industry&#8217;s baronial influence on American life, calling the entire industry a &#8220;gigantic trust that has fastened its fangs upon the people of the United States from the Atlantic to the Pacific and from the Great Lakes to the Gulf.&#8221; He spent the better part of the 1920s fending off private acquisitions of Muscle Shoals, a public hydropower dam in the Tennessee Valley, which had been built to power fertilizer production during WWI. The dam was finished after armistice, which left it mothballed. It was Norris who militated the Senate against seating Frank Smith. &#8220;God only knows how many Senatorial campaigns Mr. Insull has financed,&#8221; he said. When the investigation into Insull&#8217;s political influence in senatorial campaigns went belly-up, Norris turned his attention toward Insull&#8217;s other affairs. The Senate would authorize the Federal Trade Commission to begin what became a seven-year probe into the inner workings of the utility industry. Its results wouldn&#8217;t see the light of day until Insull was already on the brink of destruction.</p><div><hr></div><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!U9Xz!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F9f0ce27e-54ec-4f3a-b22f-ea195a64f9df_226x294.gif" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!U9Xz!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F9f0ce27e-54ec-4f3a-b22f-ea195a64f9df_226x294.gif 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!U9Xz!,w_848,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F9f0ce27e-54ec-4f3a-b22f-ea195a64f9df_226x294.gif 848w, 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stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" class="lucide lucide-maximize2 lucide-maximize-2"><polyline points="15 3 21 3 21 9"></polyline><polyline points="9 21 3 21 3 15"></polyline><line x1="21" x2="14" y1="3" y2="10"></line><line x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a><figcaption class="image-caption">Cyrus Eaton, 1929. <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cyrus_S._Eaton#/media/File:Cyrus-Stephen-Eaton-picture.gif">Source. </a></figcaption></figure></div><div><hr></div><p>But Insull simply couldn&#8217;t hear his political opponents gaining ground on him over the thunderous sound of his own success. He did, however, hear disturbing news about a man named Cyrus Eaton, a former Baptist minister turned savvy financier. Hailing from Ohio, Eaton had been in the utility business since the early 1900s, and, by the mid-1920s, had acquired two utility holding companies. Slowly and quietly, Eaton began buying up large portions of Insull&#8217;s Commonwealth Edison, Public Service, People&#8217;s Gas, and Middle West. In 1928, Insull was shocked to learn that Eaton&#8217;s portion of the pie was larger than his own. Insull had always kept an eye on the House of Morgan, but had never considered a local insurgent.</p><p>What did Eaton want? The man baffled Insull. Over and over again, Eaton relayed to Insull that he had no desire to control Insull&#8217;s empire; he just wanted a good return on capital invested. This rationale Insull could not understand. So, when Eaton offered Insull a sweet deal&#8212;Eaton would own, and Insull would operate exclusively&#8212;Insull didn&#8217;t trust it. He was an old dragon who preferred his hoard beneath him, whatever the cost.</p><p>Acting on his assumption that Eaton sought to take over his enterprises, Insull consolidated his entire empire into a single holding company: Insull Utility Investments. When IUI debuted on the stock market in January of 1929, it was worth $25 a share. In six months the frenzied market sent it to $150. At the same time, some of Insull&#8217;s subsidiary companies saw their stock double or better, which increased the prices IUI had to pay for those subsidiaries&#8217; stock. To keep his financial grip on his empire, Insull formed an investment trust&#8212;the Corporation Securities Company of Chicago, or CORP&#8212;and then gave CORP and IUI partial ownership over each other. If Eaton wanted it, he&#8217;d have to buy it all. 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stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" class="lucide lucide-maximize2 lucide-maximize-2"><polyline points="15 3 21 3 21 9"></polyline><polyline points="9 21 3 21 3 15"></polyline><line x1="21" x2="14" y1="3" y2="10"></line><line x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a><figcaption class="image-caption">&#8220;Crowd of people gather outside the New York Stock Exchange following the Crash of 1929.&#8221; Source: <a href="https://www.loc.gov/pictures/item/99471695/">Library of Congress.</a></figcaption></figure></div><div><hr></div><p>The Roaring Twenties closed with a smiling Insull featured for the third time on the cover of <em>Time </em>magazine. Months later, the stock market crashed. Insull met Black Friday&#8212;October 19, 1929&#8212;with hubris. &#8220;The stock market has not made the slightest difference to our policies,&#8221; he said. To prove it, he sank $200 million in capital-intensive projects, $80 million of which belonged to a natural gas pipeline that stretched from Texas to Chicago. He even advanced cash to his employees so that they could cover their brokerage accounts. Then, he enlisted his greatest ad man to promote an &#8220;everything is normal&#8221; campaign that would ease the public&#8217;s fears about Insull&#8217;s companies pulling their money out of the economy. This campaign, Insull explained at a December 1929 meeting of all the dons of the utility business, would mean going on the offense against pesky journalists, meddlesome politicians, and annoying citizens&#8217; groups. A young man named Wendell Wilkie, who served as chief legal counsel for the largest utility in the South, Commonwealth &amp; Southern, wondered aloud why the industry should have to take such an aggressive stance if their activities were all above board. &#8220;Mr. Wilkie,&#8221; Insull snarled, &#8220;when you are older, you will know more.&#8221; Wilkie would soon have to deal with the backlash against Insull&#8217;s tactics during the Great Depression.</p><p>Regardless, Insull&#8217;s companies saw their earnings jump by 15 percent in 1930. Power demand continued to rise as well despite the crash, which meant Insull had to keep expanding. In even better news, the crash made newly available vast sums of low-interest money. Insull went on a borrowing frenzy: $140 million in 1930. Securing such large loans without the need for New York financiers&#8217; aid inspired a saber-rattling speech at the Chicago Stock Exchange. Insull called for a &#8220;war of financial liberation against Wall Street,&#8221; raising the ire of the money men already cankered by his insolence. Just a few years prior, Insull had acquired two enormous holding companies on the East Coast right under J.P. Morgan&#8217;s nose. These were men who commanded a fealty toward whom Insull refused to demonstrate, &#8220;and that made bad blood between them,&#8221; an industry insider reported at the time&#8212;&#8220;real bad blood.&#8221;</p><p>If Insull had marched East on horseback, he would return home in rags. His paranoia about Eaton persisted until he eventually bought Eaton out for $56 million at $350 a share, $40 above the market price. The lion&#8217;s share of the purchase came from money borrowed from his own companies, but $20 million of it had been secured from his enemies on Wall Street. The first half of 1931 delivered growth so robust, Insull was briefly rescued from his own appetite for risk: it vaporized his previous losses and brought his companies into alignment with their book value. Nevertheless, the kite string popped that September when England ditched the gold standard, lopping a third off the US stock market and $150 million off of Insull&#8217;s companies. From there, the beatings continued. Insull&#8217;s enemies in New York prosecuted a cutthroat campaign of rumor-mongering and subterfuge to nose dive Insull stocks, which spiraled downward to around $2 a share. The Wall Streeters then called in their debts. Insull&#8217;s recklessness had delivered his empire unto the hands of his foes.</p><p>Morgan and his allies brought in the accounting firm Arthur Andersen &amp; Co. to straighten out Insull&#8217;s books. What Andersen found shocked him: sketchy inter-corporate loans and tricky bookkeeping had been keeping Insull&#8217;s empire afloat. These revelations, when made public, guttered Insull&#8217;s reputation and retroactively bankrupted Middle West Utilities overnight. The New Yorkers delivered their final blow in the summer of 1932, when they forced Insull into receivership and then out of his own companies. Insull summed up the cataclysm tidily enough: &#8220;I&#8212;my companies&#8212;spent money as though things were alright. We increased our floating debt and this eventually brought about our bankruptcy.&#8221; Insull had lost public stockholders $600 million and wiped out the savings of some 600,000 people. The public felt bamboozled, suckered into investments they little understood (disclosure laws were not then what they are now) and over which they exerted no real control&#8212;all thanks to Insull&#8217;s unceasing barrage of advertising.</p><p>And it was at this precise moment of weakness that the Federal Trade Commission began to publish its findings on the behavior of the utility industry. Every month, the commission published excerpts from the 80 volumes of research it had completed, all of which teemed with seedy business dealings and corporate abuse. The report exposed NELA&#8217;s aggressive efforts to encourage utility boosterism, promote preferred stock purchases, and suppress criticism through its 25 million pieces of literature and countless radio broadcasts and speeches&#8212;all for which it had charged consumers. NELA&#8217;s campaign, in the estimation of the FTC, was the greatest propaganda effort that had &#8220;ever been conducted except possibly by governments in wartime.&#8221; Insull&#8217;s &#8220;ownership society&#8221; of non-voting common stockholders now looked like a scam. The revelations looked so bad that NELA had to change its name to the Edison Electric Institute to spare its reputation, promising to &#8220;divest itself of all semblance of propaganda activities&#8221; and &#8220;assume an attitude of frankness and ready cooperation in its dealings with the public.&#8221;</p><div><hr></div><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!BzUv!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F2c3ea55e-dc52-4348-b7e8-166ffa9c261d_1199x1509.jpeg" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!BzUv!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F2c3ea55e-dc52-4348-b7e8-166ffa9c261d_1199x1509.jpeg 424w, 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class="image-link-expand"><div class="pencraft pc-display-flex pc-gap-8 pc-reset"><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container restack-image"><svg aria-hidden="true" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 20 20" fill="none" stroke-width="1.5" stroke="var(--color-fg-primary)" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg"><g><path d="M2.53001 7.81595C3.49179 4.73911 6.43281 2.5 9.91173 2.5C13.1684 2.5 15.9537 4.46214 17.0852 7.23684L17.6179 8.67647M17.6179 8.67647L18.5002 4.26471M17.6179 8.67647L13.6473 6.91176M17.4995 12.1841C16.5378 15.2609 13.5967 17.5 10.1178 17.5C6.86118 17.5 4.07589 15.5379 2.94432 12.7632L2.41165 11.3235M2.41165 11.3235L1.5293 15.7353M2.41165 11.3235L6.38224 13.0882"></path></g></svg></button><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container view-image"><svg xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 24 24" fill="none" stroke="currentColor" stroke-width="2" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" class="lucide lucide-maximize2 lucide-maximize-2"><polyline points="15 3 21 3 21 9"></polyline><polyline points="9 21 3 21 3 15"></polyline><line x1="21" x2="14" y1="3" y2="10"></line><line x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a><figcaption class="image-caption">Senator George Norris. <a href="https://walk2unlock.ne.gov/markers/senator-george-norris/">Source.</a></figcaption></figure></div><div><hr></div><p>Progressives like George Norris took the opportunity to gain the high ground and went on the attack, aided by their new champion, former New York Governor Franklin Delano Roosevelt, who had ridden into the Oval Office by taking aim at the utility industry at large and Samuel Insull in particular. In the fall of 1932, FDR started sharpening his knives against Insull and the utility industry on the presidential campaign trail. While speaking in Portland, Oregon, FDR spelled out his desire for regional public power entities that would serve as &#8220;a national yardstick to prevent extortion against the public and to encourage the wider use of that servant of the people&#8212;electric power.&#8221; Roosevelt knew the industry would marshal the whole of its forces to stop him. He threw down the gauntlet. &#8220;To the people of this country I have but one answer on this subject. Judge me by the enemies I have made. Judge me by the selfish purposes of these utility leaders who have talked of radicalism while they were selling watered stock to the people and using our schools to deceive the coming generation.&#8221; The crowd roared.</p><p>Two days later in California, Roosevelt took direct aim at Insull, saying, &#8220;Whenever in the pursuit of this objective the lone wolf, the unethical competitor, the reckless promoter, the Ishmael or Insull whose hand is against every man's, declines to join in achieving an end recognized as being for the public welfare, and threatens to drag the industry back to a state of anarchy, the Government may properly be asked to apply restraint.&#8221; Roosevelt wanted Insull behind bars.</p><p>Insull got wind that he was wanted in court in Illinois. Seeing no reason to put his head in the lion&#8217;s mouth, as he put it, he fled to Paris. But Insull&#8217;s refuge in Europe couldn&#8217;t last. As soon as FDR took office, the president hounded the former utility kingpin throughout the Mediterranean, settling down in Greece. Finally, after threatening the Greek government with trade curtailments, Greek authorities surrendered Insull over to America in 1934. Roosevelt had personally signed the extradition request. Insull prepared his memoirs on the trip home. He earned a third cover of <em>Time </em>magazine that year, with his hat covering his face for shame as he clumsily exited his car on the way to court.</p><div><hr></div><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!IxNF!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F92ad17a3-f2c7-4348-835a-df94f8a26a6e_912x1218.png" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!IxNF!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F92ad17a3-f2c7-4348-835a-df94f8a26a6e_912x1218.png 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!IxNF!,w_848,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F92ad17a3-f2c7-4348-835a-df94f8a26a6e_912x1218.png 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!IxNF!,w_1272,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F92ad17a3-f2c7-4348-835a-df94f8a26a6e_912x1218.png 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!IxNF!,w_1456,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F92ad17a3-f2c7-4348-835a-df94f8a26a6e_912x1218.png 1456w" sizes="100vw"><img src="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!IxNF!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F92ad17a3-f2c7-4348-835a-df94f8a26a6e_912x1218.png" width="438" height="584.9605263157895" data-attrs="{&quot;src&quot;:&quot;https://substack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com/public/images/92ad17a3-f2c7-4348-835a-df94f8a26a6e_912x1218.png&quot;,&quot;srcNoWatermark&quot;:null,&quot;fullscreen&quot;:null,&quot;imageSize&quot;:null,&quot;height&quot;:1218,&quot;width&quot;:912,&quot;resizeWidth&quot;:438,&quot;bytes&quot;:1232881,&quot;alt&quot;:null,&quot;title&quot;:null,&quot;type&quot;:&quot;image/png&quot;,&quot;href&quot;:null,&quot;belowTheFold&quot;:true,&quot;topImage&quot;:false,&quot;internalRedirect&quot;:&quot;https://www.nuclearbarbarians.com/i/168332423?img=https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F92ad17a3-f2c7-4348-835a-df94f8a26a6e_912x1218.png&quot;,&quot;isProcessing&quot;:false,&quot;align&quot;:null,&quot;offset&quot;:false}" class="sizing-normal" alt="" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!IxNF!,w_424,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F92ad17a3-f2c7-4348-835a-df94f8a26a6e_912x1218.png 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!IxNF!,w_848,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F92ad17a3-f2c7-4348-835a-df94f8a26a6e_912x1218.png 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!IxNF!,w_1272,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F92ad17a3-f2c7-4348-835a-df94f8a26a6e_912x1218.png 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!IxNF!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F92ad17a3-f2c7-4348-835a-df94f8a26a6e_912x1218.png 1456w" sizes="100vw" loading="lazy"></picture><div class="image-link-expand"><div class="pencraft pc-display-flex pc-gap-8 pc-reset"><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container restack-image"><svg aria-hidden="true" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 20 20" fill="none" stroke-width="1.5" stroke="var(--color-fg-primary)" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg"><g><path d="M2.53001 7.81595C3.49179 4.73911 6.43281 2.5 9.91173 2.5C13.1684 2.5 15.9537 4.46214 17.0852 7.23684L17.6179 8.67647M17.6179 8.67647L18.5002 4.26471M17.6179 8.67647L13.6473 6.91176M17.4995 12.1841C16.5378 15.2609 13.5967 17.5 10.1178 17.5C6.86118 17.5 4.07589 15.5379 2.94432 12.7632L2.41165 11.3235M2.41165 11.3235L1.5293 15.7353M2.41165 11.3235L6.38224 13.0882"></path></g></svg></button><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container view-image"><svg xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 24 24" fill="none" stroke="currentColor" stroke-width="2" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" class="lucide lucide-maximize2 lucide-maximize-2"><polyline points="15 3 21 3 21 9"></polyline><polyline points="9 21 3 21 3 15"></polyline><line x1="21" x2="14" y1="3" y2="10"></line><line x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a><figcaption class="image-caption">Insull at Cook County Jail, May 8, 1934. Source: Acme Newspictures, Inc.</figcaption></figure></div><div><hr></div><p>The jury set to decide Insull&#8217;s fate had a difficult time convicting him for fraud. The first obstacle was explaining the case, which involved complex financial structures in a cutting edge industry. Then there was Insull himself, by then fragile and aged, who came off as a kindly old man who had ridden to fame and success by virtue of his talents. In a fight between the prosecution&#8217;s emphasis on the nefarious latticework of holding company ownership structures and the defense&#8217;s retreat to the redoubt of Insull&#8217;s character, the man won. Besides, if he had been a conman, then he hadn&#8217;t been any good at it. Insull had done everything in his power to rescue his companies from bankruptcy, including bankrupting himself. The jury came back with its verdict: not guilty.</p><p>Insull booked a trip back to France to live out his remaining years. &#8220;If modesty permits, I would say that it has been my privilege [&#8230;] to make some contributions toward the economic success&#8221; of the power industry, Insull wrote in his memoirs. &#8220;What those contributions really amount to must be left to posterity to decide if they should seem to the future students of these industries of sufficient consequence to claim attention.&#8221; This could only be false modesty. Insull had led his industry out of the desert of limited adoption and into the promised land of a mass consumer society that thrived on kilowatt-hours. He had created the regulatory compact that would hold for over a century, and his build-and-grow strategy would serve as the industry standard until the 1970s. Insull gave the whole of his life to his gospel of electric growth, and the country benefited greatly from hearing the good word. And yet, in 1938, Samuel Insull died alone at the age of 78 after his heart gave out on the Paris subway. He had 85 cents in his pocket. Seventeen mourners attended his funeral, with no family members among them. Papers circulated word of his death, portraying him as a failure. </p><p>Yet at that very moment, one of Roosevelt&#8217;s champions, a Hoosier lawyer named David Lilienthal, was proving Insull right all over again on the government&#8217;s behalf in the Tennessee Valley. But that&#8217;s a story for another time. </p><div><hr></div><p class="button-wrapper" data-attrs="{&quot;url&quot;:&quot;https://www.nuclearbarbarians.com/subscribe?&quot;,&quot;text&quot;:&quot;Subscribe now&quot;,&quot;action&quot;:null,&quot;class&quot;:null}" data-component-name="ButtonCreateButton"><a class="button primary" href="https://www.nuclearbarbarians.com/subscribe?"><span>Subscribe now</span></a></p><p class="button-wrapper" data-attrs="{&quot;url&quot;:&quot;https://www.nuclearbarbarians.com/p/samuel-insull-father-of-light-pt?utm_source=substack&utm_medium=email&utm_content=share&action=share&quot;,&quot;text&quot;:&quot;Share&quot;,&quot;action&quot;:null,&quot;class&quot;:null}" data-component-name="ButtonCreateButton"><a class="button primary" href="https://www.nuclearbarbarians.com/p/samuel-insull-father-of-light-pt?utm_source=substack&utm_medium=email&utm_content=share&action=share"><span>Share</span></a></p><div><hr></div><h3>Bibliography</h3><ul><li><p>Henry Adams, <em>The Education of Henry Adams </em>(New York, NY: Library of America, 1983).</p></li><li><p>Mark Aldrich, <em>The Rise and Fall of King Coal: American Energy Transitions in an Age of Markets, 1800 - 1940 </em>(Baltimore, MD: Johns Hopkins University Press, 2025).</p></li><li><p>Dr. Frederick H. 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Jackson Lears, <em>No Place of Grace: Antimodernism and the Transformation of American Culture, 1880 - 1920</em> (Chicago, IL: University of Chicago Press, 1981).</p></li><li><p>Jackson Lears, <em>Rebirth of a Nation: The Making of Modern America, 1877-1920</em> (New York, NY: Harper Perennial, 2009).</p></li><li><p>David Levering Lewis, <em>The Improbable Wendell Wilkie: The Businessman Who Saved the Republican Party and His Country, and Conceived a New World Order</em> (New York, NY: Liveright, 2018).</p></li><li><p>John Marini, <em>Unmasking the Administrative State: The Crisis of American Politics in the Twenty-First Century </em>(New York, NY: Encounter Books, 2019).</p></li><li><p>Leo Marx, <em>The Machine in the Garden: Technology and the Pastoral Ideal in America </em>(Oxford, UK: Oxford University Press, 2000).</p></li><li><p>Thomas K. McCraw, <em>TVA and the Power Fight, 1933 - 1939</em> (Philadelphia, PA: J.P. Lippingcott Company, 1971).</p></li><li><p>Forrest McDonald, <em>Insull: The Rise and Fall of a Billionaire Utility Tycoon </em>(Chicago, IL: University of Chicago Press, 1962).</p></li><li><p>Richard Munson, <em>From Edison to Enron: The Business of Power and What It Means for the Future of Electricity </em>(Westport, CT: Praeger Publishers, 2005).</p></li><li><p>John L. Neufeld, <em>Selling Power</em>:<em> Economics, Policy, and Electric Utilities Before 1940</em> (Chicago, IL: University of Chicago Press, 2016).</p></li><li><p>David E. Nye, <em>Electrifying America: Social Meanings of a New Technology, 1880 - 1940</em> (Cambridge, MA: The MIT Press, 2001).</p></li><li><p>J&#252;rgen Osterhammel, <em>The Transformation of the World: A Global History of the Nineteenth Century</em> (Princeton, NJ: Princeton University Press, 2021).</p></li><li><p>Harold L. Platt, <em>The Electric City: Energy and the Growth of the Chicago Area, 1880-1930 </em>(Chicago, IL: University of Chicago Press, 1991).</p></li><li><p>Terry S. Reynolds ed., <em>The Engineer in America: A Historical Anthology from </em>Technology and Culture<em> </em>(Chicago, IL: University of Chicago Press, 1991).</p></li><li><p>John A. Riggs, <em>High Tension: FDR&#8217;s Battle to Power America </em>(New York, NY: Diversion Books, 2020)<em>.</em></p></li><li><p>Franklin D. Roosevelt, &#8220;Campaign Address in Portland, Oregon on Public Utilities and Development of Hydro-Electric Power,&#8221; September 21, 1932.</p></li><li><p>Franklin D. Roosevelt, &#8220;Speech in San Francisco,&#8221; September 23, 1932.</p></li><li><p>Jeffrey L. Rodengen, <em>Sargent &amp; Lundy: Thinking Power&#8230;Exclusively</em> (Fort Lauderdale, FL: Write Stuff, 2017).</p></li><li><p>Don Russell, <em>Elmhurst: Trails from Yesterday</em> (Elmhurst, IL: Heritage Committee of the Elmhurst Bicentennial Commission, 1977).</p></li><li><p>Sandeep Vaheesan, <em>Democracy in Power: A History of Electrification in the United States</em> (Chicago, IL: University of Chicago Press, 2024).</p></li><li><p>John F. Wasik, <em>Merchant of Power: Sam Insull, Thomas Edison, and the Creation of the Modern Metropolis</em> (New York, NY: Palgrave Macmillan, 2006).</p></li><li><p>Daniel L. Wuebben, <em>Power-Lined: Electricity, Landscape, and the American Mind </em>(Lincoln, NE: University of Nebraska Press, 2019). </p></li></ul>]]></content:encoded></item><item><title><![CDATA[Reactors by the Bargeful ft. Jake Jurewicz (Blue Energy)]]></title><description><![CDATA[Listen now | This episode is dedicated to all of the light water reactor fans out there.]]></description><link>https://www.nuclearbarbarians.com/p/reactors-by-the-bargeful-ft-jake</link><guid isPermaLink="false">https://www.nuclearbarbarians.com/p/reactors-by-the-bargeful-ft-jake</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[Emmet Penney]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Fri, 10 Oct 2025 13:02:47 GMT</pubDate><enclosure url="https://api.substack.com/feed/podcast/175750945/bfdd69c2c227e20ac577711a16f64da2.mp3" length="0" type="audio/mpeg"/><content:encoded><![CDATA[<div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!Ze8X!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F49cc73bf-bf68-4ff6-8256-983e0acf97e2_400x400.jpeg" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source 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Especially if you like your LWRs in water. Listen to this conversation with the co-founder and CEO of Blue Energy, Jake Jurewicz, and you&#8217;ll understand what I mean. Jake is a utility industry veteran with a lifetime of experience on construction sites, so our discussion about how his new company is going to site SMRs on waterways and ship them by barge gets into all kinds of deployment nitty gritty: management, permitting, financing, you name it.</p><p>Check out Blue Energy&#8217;s <a href="https://blueenergy.co/">website</a>, <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/company/blue-energy-co/posts/?feedView=all">LinkedIn</a>, and <a href="https://x.com/Blue_Energy_Co">X account</a>.</p><div><hr></div><div class="subscription-widget-wrap-editor" data-attrs="{&quot;url&quot;:&quot;https://www.nuclearbarbarians.com/subscribe?&quot;,&quot;text&quot;:&quot;Subscribe&quot;,&quot;language&quot;:&quot;en&quot;}" data-component-name="SubscribeWidgetToDOM"><div class="subscription-widget show-subscribe"><div class="preamble"><p class="cta-caption">Nuclear Barbarians is a reader-supported publication. 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Craig Fuller (Freightwaves)]]></title><description><![CDATA[Craig Fuller comes from a legacy trucking family.]]></description><link>https://www.nuclearbarbarians.com/p/moving-the-world-ft-craig-fuller</link><guid isPermaLink="false">https://www.nuclearbarbarians.com/p/moving-the-world-ft-craig-fuller</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[Emmet Penney]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Fri, 26 Sep 2025 13:03:11 GMT</pubDate><enclosure url="https://api.substack.com/feed/podcast/174561634/170af7e1da1a1331853b20f3f5af13dd.mp3" length="0" type="audio/mpeg"/><content:encoded><![CDATA[<div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!AD_D!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fb45b7f9e-b87c-42d9-9c11-1afb5991585e_756x1138.png" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" 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He&#8217;s also the CEO and founder of <a href="https://www.freightwaves.com/">Freightwaves</a>, the Bloomberg of logistics. So, Craig&#8217;s the perfect guy to write an accessible primer on supply chains, which is exactly what he&#8217;s done. He came on the show to talk about the new book, <em>Moving the World: How the Supply Chain&#8217;s Evolution Affects Us All</em> (<a href="https://shop.flyingmag.com/collections/books/products/moving-the-world">which you can pre-order here</a>!). We dig into what the Covid crisis taught us about supply chains, why reshoring makes sense both economically and strategically, and how supply chains and the grid are similar. </p><div><hr></div><div class="subscription-widget-wrap-editor" data-attrs="{&quot;url&quot;:&quot;https://www.nuclearbarbarians.com/subscribe?&quot;,&quot;text&quot;:&quot;Subscribe&quot;,&quot;language&quot;:&quot;en&quot;}" data-component-name="SubscribeWidgetToDOM"><div class="subscription-widget show-subscribe"><div class="preamble"><p class="cta-caption">Nuclear Barbarians is a reader-supported publication. To receive new posts and support my work, consider becoming a free or paid subscriber.</p></div><form class="subscription-widget-subscribe"><input type="email" class="email-input" name="email" placeholder="Type your email&#8230;" tabindex="-1"><input type="submit" class="button primary" value="Subscribe"><div class="fake-input-wrapper"><div class="fake-input"></div><div class="fake-button"></div></div></form></div></div><p></p>]]></content:encoded></item><item><title><![CDATA[Aboondance]]></title><description><![CDATA[Brief Reflections on the Abundance Conference]]></description><link>https://www.nuclearbarbarians.com/p/aboondance</link><guid isPermaLink="false">https://www.nuclearbarbarians.com/p/aboondance</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[Emmet Penney]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Tue, 09 Sep 2025 15:17:15 GMT</pubDate><enclosure 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class="pencraft pc-display-flex pc-gap-8 pc-reset"><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container restack-image"><svg aria-hidden="true" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 20 20" fill="none" stroke-width="1.5" stroke="var(--color-fg-primary)" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg"><g><path d="M2.53001 7.81595C3.49179 4.73911 6.43281 2.5 9.91173 2.5C13.1684 2.5 15.9537 4.46214 17.0852 7.23684L17.6179 8.67647M17.6179 8.67647L18.5002 4.26471M17.6179 8.67647L13.6473 6.91176M17.4995 12.1841C16.5378 15.2609 13.5967 17.5 10.1178 17.5C6.86118 17.5 4.07589 15.5379 2.94432 12.7632L2.41165 11.3235M2.41165 11.3235L1.5293 15.7353M2.41165 11.3235L6.38224 13.0882"></path></g></svg></button><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container view-image"><svg xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 24 24" fill="none" stroke="currentColor" stroke-width="2" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" class="lucide lucide-maximize2 lucide-maximize-2"><polyline points="15 3 21 3 21 9"></polyline><polyline points="9 21 3 21 3 15"></polyline><line x1="21" x2="14" y1="3" y2="10"></line><line x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a><figcaption class="image-caption">An image of urban abundance. <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Open_Summer_Garden,_Jacques_French_Restaurant,_900_N._Michigan_Ave.,_Chicago,_Illinois_(NBY_415587).jpg">Open Summer Garden, Jacques French Restaurant, 900 N. Michigan Ave., Chicago, Illinois</a></figcaption></figure></div><div><hr></div><p>Last week, I spent a couple days in the Salamander Hotel with over 600 energy, technology, and permitting reform enthusiasts for the Abundance Conference. The goal of this conference is to forge, <a href="https://www.abundancedc.org/mission">per its mission statement</a>, &#8220;a cross-partisan coalition committed to accelerating economic growth, reinforcing American leadership in science and technology, dismantling bureaucratic inertia, restoring effective governance, and reducing the cost of living.&#8221; </p><p>Depending on who you are, that sounds either like a good time or a Dantesque pitstop in the white collar necrosphere of Washington, DC. </p><p>What can I say? Your mileage may vary, but I had a blast.</p><p>I don&#8217;t need to tell you that politics feels contentious. Practical issues often fall by the wayside to salacious clickbait. The Abundance Conference, meanwhile, focused on kitchen table issues: energy prices, economic growth, housing costs, etc. And it boasted lawmakers from either side making concessions and talking compromise &#8212; at least rhetorically. This felt refreshing. Bipartisanship is a necessary ingredient in energy policy because without it, changes tend to lack durability. And without policy consistency, capital stays skittish and locked up.</p><p>And yet, despite all the grand gestures across the aisle, I couldn&#8217;t help but notice a few things.</p><div><hr></div><div class="subscription-widget-wrap-editor" data-attrs="{&quot;url&quot;:&quot;https://www.nuclearbarbarians.com/subscribe?&quot;,&quot;text&quot;:&quot;Subscribe&quot;,&quot;language&quot;:&quot;en&quot;}" data-component-name="SubscribeWidgetToDOM"><div class="subscription-widget show-subscribe"><div class="preamble"><p class="cta-caption">Nuclear Barbarians is a reader-supported publication. To receive new posts and support my work, consider becoming a free or paid subscriber.</p></div><form class="subscription-widget-subscribe"><input type="email" class="email-input" name="email" placeholder="Type your email&#8230;" tabindex="-1"><input type="submit" class="button primary" value="Subscribe"><div class="fake-input-wrapper"><div class="fake-input"></div><div class="fake-button"></div></div></form></div></div><div><hr></div><h3><strong>I. What We Talk About When We Talk About Permitting Reform</strong></h3><p>Everyone wants to talk permitting reform because environmental law has made it prohibitive to build in this country. Conservatives have been rightfully griping about this for decades, and liberals, shocked at the contradictions within their own coalition, have finally started to internalize this problem. That&#8217;s good.</p><p>The natural area for overlap here concerns pipelines and transmission lines. In multiple conversations, I said I&#8217;d be fine with making it easier to build long transmission lines if, in exchange, we enabled natural gas pipelines to the same degree. After all, it costs twice as much to pay for the litigation involved in building a pipeline than building the pipeline itself.</p><p>Many of my colleagues across the aisle agreed that this made sense. But often (though not always!), as the conversations went on, it became clear that while I was discussing permitting reform, the person with whom I was speaking was not. Instead, they were describing a different trade: subsidizing transmission lines in exchange for alleviating the green tape around pipeline construction.</p><p>To this I say, as I imagine almost every conservative would, &#8220;No deal.&#8221; It&#8217;s apples to oranges. Moreover, wind and solar have been so subsidized that it&#8217;s hard for me to take seriously the argument that we must also subsidize the infrastructure that makes them viable.</p><p>My policy misgivings aside, I observed that the shift from permitting reform proper to transmission socialization went unnoticed by some of my conversants. I don&#8217;t believe this was intentional or manipulative. The discussions were all in good faith. Rather, this phenomena emerged as an artifact of differing political priors, thus revealing what makes compromise so difficult. So often in politics we talk past each other without realizing it. The permitting conversation is but a characteristic example of a frequent occurrence. </p><p>I think there are, if not remedies, then ways to mitigate this dynamic; hence the following points.</p><h3><strong>II. Location, Location, Location</strong></h3><p>As I mentioned above, it was nice to hear from policymakers from both parties. I felt that Abundance delivered on bipartisanship. Even more impressive, I met people from state and local governments while I was there. One of the best conversations I had involved a Democratic Colorado county commissioner who explained how she opened up her county to fracking. No doubt regulatory strictures were more burdensome than in Texas, but she had just approved a fracking pad in a blue area! And she was proud of it!</p><p>I want an <em>abundance</em> of this. Whenever I speak with companies, it&#8217;s not just federal issues on their mind. They&#8217;re worried about state and local laws. Having a bumper crop of state and local electeds in the mix (and on panels, on stage, etc.) is necessary for actually hashing out how to unleash more growth.</p><p>As the Abundance Conference grows, and I suspect it will, it has an incredible opportunity here to actually connect policy positions to policy actions &#8212; all this stuff is going to be built <em>somewhere</em>. And it could resolve some of the issues I mentioned above because more conversations would involve key decision-makers, ultimately grounding the conversation in political reality. But that&#8217;s codependent on the next point.</p><h3><strong>III. Release the Realitymongers</strong></h3><p>I enjoyed many of the panels I attended. It&#8217;s provocative to hear about the trade-offs between technocratic and lawyerly societies, to listen in as different philanthropic players explicate their <em>modus operandi</em>, or, in my personal case, have a fireside chat with Ted Nordhaus about nuclear large and small. Here&#8217;s a photo from our two-man panel:</p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!TXGd!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Ff3f8b3fd-6139-45e4-bba1-4775abeb6d40_2048x1536.jpeg" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!TXGd!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Ff3f8b3fd-6139-45e4-bba1-4775abeb6d40_2048x1536.jpeg 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!TXGd!,w_848,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Ff3f8b3fd-6139-45e4-bba1-4775abeb6d40_2048x1536.jpeg 848w, 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stroke="currentColor" stroke-width="2" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" class="lucide lucide-maximize2 lucide-maximize-2"><polyline points="15 3 21 3 21 9"></polyline><polyline points="9 21 3 21 3 15"></polyline><line x1="21" x2="14" y1="3" y2="10"></line><line x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a><figcaption class="image-caption"><a href="https://x.com/atrembath/status/1963960093826855292">Thanks to Alex Trembath for this photo.</a></figcaption></figure></div><p>However, as a think tanker, I sometimes weary of hearing from other think tankers. Don&#8217;t get me wrong: I love my job and it&#8217;s fun to play with policy ideas and get into the weeds. That&#8217;s important.</p><p>But if we&#8217;re going to talk about abundance, then we need to talk to the people who make it possible; the people whose responsibility it is to deliver molecules and megawatts day in and day out. In short, we need to hear from industry.</p><p>It&#8217;s hard to have strictly ideological conversation from first principles about energy policy when you&#8217;re speaking with someone who&#8217;s literally on the hook for keeping industrial modernity running. Having people from the fracking, pipelines, renewable, nuclear, and utility space would promote both a moderating and informing impact on attendees and panelists alike.</p><p>And let&#8217;s not forget private capital and labor: someone&#8217;s gotta finance all this stuff and then someone else has to build and maintain it.</p><p>The absence of these perspectives felt very palpable to me. But there&#8217;s good news in even that. Abundance had many more attendees than it did just last year. And it&#8217;s showing definite signs of scaling up. That means greater opportunity to get more of these voices in the mix. There is no progress without iteration.</p><p>One last thing: my think tank, the Foundation for American Innovation, was featured in a profile in <em>Inc.</em> They not only cover our work saving the Loans Program Office, but also this Substack. That&#8217;s all to say thank you, reader. I never take your time and attention for granted and remain grateful for both.<a href="https://www.inc.com/nancy-scola/foundation-american-innovation-tech-right/91235091"> You can read the profile here.</a></p><div><hr></div><p class="button-wrapper" data-attrs="{&quot;url&quot;:&quot;https://www.nuclearbarbarians.com/subscribe?&quot;,&quot;text&quot;:&quot;Subscribe now&quot;,&quot;action&quot;:null,&quot;class&quot;:null}" data-component-name="ButtonCreateButton"><a class="button primary" href="https://www.nuclearbarbarians.com/subscribe?"><span>Subscribe now</span></a></p><p class="button-wrapper" data-attrs="{&quot;url&quot;:&quot;https://www.nuclearbarbarians.com/p/aboondance?utm_source=substack&utm_medium=email&utm_content=share&action=share&quot;,&quot;text&quot;:&quot;Share&quot;,&quot;action&quot;:null,&quot;class&quot;:null}" data-component-name="ButtonCreateButton"><a class="button primary" href="https://www.nuclearbarbarians.com/p/aboondance?utm_source=substack&utm_medium=email&utm_content=share&action=share"><span>Share</span></a></p><div><hr></div><p></p><p></p>]]></content:encoded></item><item><title><![CDATA[Seafloor, Icecap, Moon ft. 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I got to pick Zeno cofounder and CEO Tyler Bernstein&#8217;s brain about their exciting new technology, why Zeno&#8217;s work is critical in our increasingly multipolar world, and the upsides of competing with China. </p><p>This was a fascinating discussion and I think you guys are going to love it. </p><p>Not long after we recorded this episode, <a href="https://www.zenopower.com/news/zeno-names-former-nasa-chief-technologist-charania-as-svp">Zeno added former NASA chief technologist AC Charania to its team as SVP of Space Business Development</a>. </p><div><hr></div><p class="button-wrapper" data-attrs="{&quot;url&quot;:&quot;https://www.nuclearbarbarians.com/subscribe?&quot;,&quot;text&quot;:&quot;Subscribe now&quot;,&quot;action&quot;:null,&quot;class&quot;:null}" data-component-name="ButtonCreateButton"><a class="button primary" href="https://www.nuclearbarbarians.com/subscribe?"><span>Subscribe now</span></a></p><p class="button-wrapper" data-attrs="{&quot;url&quot;:&quot;https://www.nuclearbarbarians.com/p/seafloor-icecap-moon-ft-tyler-bernstein?utm_source=substack&utm_medium=email&utm_content=share&action=share&quot;,&quot;text&quot;:&quot;Share&quot;,&quot;action&quot;:null,&quot;class&quot;:null}" data-component-name="ButtonCreateButton"><a class="button primary" href="https://www.nuclearbarbarians.com/p/seafloor-icecap-moon-ft-tyler-bernstein?utm_source=substack&utm_medium=email&utm_content=share&action=share"><span>Share</span></a></p><div><hr></div><p></p>]]></content:encoded></item><item><title><![CDATA[Tickling the Dragon ft. Matt Loszak of Aalo Atomics]]></title><description><![CDATA[Matt Loszak, the cofounder and CEO of Aalo Atomics, joined me to talk about Aalo&#8217;s progress rolling SMRs off the factory line.]]></description><link>https://www.nuclearbarbarians.com/p/tickling-the-dragon-ft-matt-loszak</link><guid isPermaLink="false">https://www.nuclearbarbarians.com/p/tickling-the-dragon-ft-matt-loszak</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[Emmet Penney]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Sat, 30 Aug 2025 13:03:00 GMT</pubDate><enclosure url="https://api.substack.com/feed/podcast/172170247/818e28ad660682fed8df37f089d9a7e6.mp3" length="0" type="audio/mpeg"/><content:encoded><![CDATA[<div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!Tt7T!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fe657633a-8d74-465b-91cb-465672d5c8ff_2076x1166.png" 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We get into Aalo&#8217;s test reactor at Idaho National Labs, a DOE path toward approving nuclear designs, how Trump&#8217;s nuclear executive orders have helped the industry, &#8220;zero power criticality,&#8221; and more.</p><p>Since we recorded this episode, Aalo <a href="https://www.aalo.com/post/aalo-closes-100m-series-b">has closed its $100 million Series B</a> <em>and </em>has officially been <a href="https://www.aalo.com/post/aalo-selected-by-doe-to-test-aalo-x-targeting-criticality-by-july-4th-2026">selected by the DOE to test the Aalo-X reactor at INL by hitting zero power criticality</a>. 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Kurt Terrani of Standard Nuclear]]></title><description><![CDATA[There are so many exciting developments in the nuclear space, I can hardly keep up.]]></description><link>https://www.nuclearbarbarians.com/p/triso-serious-ft-kurt-terrani-of</link><guid isPermaLink="false">https://www.nuclearbarbarians.com/p/triso-serious-ft-kurt-terrani-of</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[Emmet Penney]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Fri, 15 Aug 2025 13:01:12 GMT</pubDate><enclosure url="https://api.substack.com/feed/podcast/169755586/fa5077300fb2c595f8495577961c1062.mp3" length="0" type="audio/mpeg"/><content:encoded><![CDATA[<div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!KbZa!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fed49660a-3197-43f2-97c2-12a979fc0ba6_1350x709.png" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source 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And not just in the realm of reactors. <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/kurt-terrani-6219819/">Kurt Terrani</a>, the CEO of <a href="https://www.standardnuclear.com/">Standard Nuclear</a>, joined me to talk about his new company and its ambitions for TRISO fuel. For me, this was a major download on nuclear fuel types. Kurt&#8217;s a very knowledgable dude working with a highly experienced team. </p><p>Check out Standard Nuclear on <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/company/standardnuclear/">LinkedIn</a>, <a href="https://www.instagram.com/standardnuclear/">Instagram</a>, and <a href="https://x.com/standardnuclear">X</a>. </p><div><hr></div><p class="button-wrapper" data-attrs="{&quot;url&quot;:&quot;https://www.nuclearbarbarians.com/p/triso-serious-ft-kurt-terrani-of?utm_source=substack&utm_medium=email&utm_content=share&action=share&quot;,&quot;text&quot;:&quot;Share&quot;,&quot;action&quot;:null,&quot;class&quot;:null}" data-component-name="ButtonCreateButton"><a class="button primary" href="https://www.nuclearbarbarians.com/p/triso-serious-ft-kurt-terrani-of?utm_source=substack&utm_medium=email&utm_content=share&action=share"><span>Share</span></a></p><p class="button-wrapper" data-attrs="{&quot;url&quot;:&quot;https://www.nuclearbarbarians.com/subscribe?&quot;,&quot;text&quot;:&quot;Subscribe now&quot;,&quot;action&quot;:null,&quot;class&quot;:null}" data-component-name="ButtonCreateButton"><a class="button primary" href="https://www.nuclearbarbarians.com/subscribe?"><span>Subscribe now</span></a></p><div><hr></div><p></p><p></p>]]></content:encoded></item><item><title><![CDATA[Samuel Insull: The Father of Light Pt. III]]></title><description><![CDATA[It's Good to Be King]]></description><link>https://www.nuclearbarbarians.com/p/samuel-insull-the-father-of-light-b45</link><guid isPermaLink="false">https://www.nuclearbarbarians.com/p/samuel-insull-the-father-of-light-b45</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[Emmet Penney]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Fri, 08 Aug 2025 13:01:35 GMT</pubDate><enclosure url="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!RYJz!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Faa8e9516-ff59-4b7c-a1a5-84af9c411f88_400x527.jpeg" length="0" type="image/jpeg"/><content:encoded><![CDATA[<div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!RYJz!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Faa8e9516-ff59-4b7c-a1a5-84af9c411f88_400x527.jpeg" 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stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" class="lucide lucide-maximize2 lucide-maximize-2"><polyline points="15 3 21 3 21 9"></polyline><polyline points="9 21 3 21 3 15"></polyline><line x1="21" x2="14" y1="3" y2="10"></line><line x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a><figcaption class="image-caption"><em>Time</em> <em>Magazine</em>, Volume 8 Issue 22, November 29, 1926.</figcaption></figure></div><div><hr></div><p>Before you dive in, check out <a href="https://nuclearbarbarians.substack.com/p/samuel-insull-the-father-of-light">Part I</a> and <a href="https://www.nuclearbarbarians.com/p/samuel-insull-the-father-of-light-54d">Part II</a> of this series!</p><div><hr></div><p>In the mid-17<sup>th</sup> century, the philosopher Thomas Hobbes wrote his magnum opus, <em>Leviathan</em>, in which he argues for a social contract between subjects to exit the violent state of nature by agreeing to give over the whole of their power to an omnipotent king. In the frontispiece of the book, an enormous king in a chainmail shirt gazes down on his lands. A discerning eye would notice that the chainmail shirt is actually a web of men; his body, and thus his authority, derive from the power his subjects vest in him. Insull, like Hobbes&#8217;s king, looked down upon a map of America; what appeared as a business suit would, on closer inspection, reveal itself as a weave of plant workers, customers, politicians, power lines, turbogenerators, coal mines, railroads, and regulatory statutes. His empire spread across the country, touching both coasts, and would grow north of 10 percent of America&#8217;s total electricity output. In scope and scale he was peerless. He stood as a Napoleon electric, industrial history on horseback, remaking American society in his image. And he did so with an astounding level of public consent.</p><p>None could deny electricity&#8217;s positive impact on everyday life, which grew more electrified by the day. Before electrification, women scalded themselves on hot irons heated in ovens, worked their hands to the bone sweeping and beating rugs, and hauled cold water into the home to be heated for laundry and bathing. Inventions like the electric iron, the electric vacuum, and electrified water heating systems shrank the drudgery and time these tasks required by orders of magnitude.</p><p>Electrification also raised hygienic standards by making it easier and more affordable for people to bathe or wash their clothes multiple times a week. For children, electric lighting improved educational opportunities. Electrified schools made reading easier, while at home, where gas systems proved dangerous to leave in a child&#8217;s control, electric lights made for a safer, easier-on-the-eyes option, further facilitating more reading. As Muncie, Indiana electrified, its library &#8220;loaned out eight times more books per inhabitant in 1925 than 1890.&#8221;</p><p>These changes were so palpable, utility ad copy from this period reads more like plain statements of fact than exaggerated PR. Insull&#8217;s Commonwealth Edison, for example, boasted, &#8220;For the modern household, Electricity is at once a servant, a source of heat and light and unfailing convenience that can be enjoyed every day in the year. In any house that is wired for Electric Light, these modern labor savers will be appreciated.&#8221; Electric appliances nearly sold themselves, though that didn&#8217;t stop the National Electric Light Association from pushing goods on every customer it could. Between 1915 and 1920, electrical appliance sales skyrocketed from $23 million to $83 million. In 1923, 75 to 85 percent of Chicago residents lit their homes with Insull&#8217;s currents. By 1926, 82.5 percent of Chicagoans used electric irons, 71 percent ran electric vacuums over their carpets, and over 30 percent of utility customers made breakfast with toasters and washed their clothes in electric washers.</p><div><hr></div><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!F0dX!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F94114931-af1d-4cde-8fd1-b910a216ac62_844x1244.png" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!F0dX!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F94114931-af1d-4cde-8fd1-b910a216ac62_844x1244.png 424w, 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stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" class="lucide lucide-maximize2 lucide-maximize-2"><polyline points="15 3 21 3 21 9"></polyline><polyline points="9 21 3 21 3 15"></polyline><line x1="21" x2="14" y1="3" y2="10"></line><line x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a><figcaption class="image-caption">Commonwealth Edison ad from 1928. <a href="https://www.etsy.com/listing/1208290005/1928-commonwealth-edison-chicago-avenue">Source.</a></figcaption></figure></div><div><hr></div><p>Electrification also alleviated the sewage and horse-traffic congestion problems that had choked major cities like Chicago. Insull, with his commitment to electrified public transit, had been a prime mover in solving these issues; he consolidated and expanded the city&#8217;s transit system all the way out to Indiana. His domination meant increased scale, better management, cheaper fares, and overall rationalization. Electrified transit also helped solve the puzzle of spreading power load throughout the day. In 1893, dazzled Chicagoans rode an electric rail around the White City, cruised through the fair&#8217;s canals on battery-powered gondolas, and witnessed the wonders of a futuristic electrified home. It was a dream city that Insull had made real.</p><p>Electricity remodeled American home life, civic life, and work life in ways unimagined, inspiring a thrilling sense of vertigo as the nation scaled the snow-dusted peaks of technological improvement. Though technical knowledge of electricity was scarce among the general public, the people reckoned that this mysterious power source brought with it a bounty as common as it was novel. In a way, Henry Adams had been right in his reflections at the 1893 World&#8217;s Fair. While technological progress and massive economic development provoked great anxiety in some, by and large these changes were greeted with open arms. &#8220;Before long,&#8221; Adams had prophesied, &#8220;one began to pray to [the dynamo]; inherited instinct taught the natural expression of man before silent and infinite force.&#8221; He could sense &#8220;an absolute <em>fiat</em> in electricity&#8221; similar to religious faith.</p><p>Insull was one of the main beneficiaries of this new religious faith in applied science. If electricity meant a bountiful future of dizzying potential, Insull was the electricity industry&#8217;s face, its Leviathan, who received almost unmitigated control in exchange for the material fruits of progress.</p><div><hr></div><div class="subscription-widget-wrap-editor" data-attrs="{&quot;url&quot;:&quot;https://www.nuclearbarbarians.com/subscribe?&quot;,&quot;text&quot;:&quot;Subscribe&quot;,&quot;language&quot;:&quot;en&quot;}" data-component-name="SubscribeWidgetToDOM"><div class="subscription-widget show-subscribe"><div class="preamble"><p class="cta-caption">Nuclear Barbarians is a reader-supported publication. 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They were married in 1899. <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Gladys_Wallis#/media/File:Gladys_Wallis_-_Falk.jpg">Source.</a></figcaption></figure></div><div><hr></div><p>But not everyone loved Insull or the utility industry, whatever their positive impact on the lives of Americans. A man doesn&#8217;t rise to Insull&#8217;s heights without making enemies, and his enemies spent the 1920s lying in wait. On one side stood the Wall Streeters such as J.P. Morgan, who resented that Insull managed to finance his entire enterprise without ever once coming to them for money. Thus his rise benefited them not at all, and they liked that about as much as they did his defiance. Every other industry titan genuflected before the kings of New York&#8217;s banking institutions, but not Insull. He had never forgotten what Morgan had done to Thomas Edison. On the other side stood a more radical band of Progressives, still clinging to their old faith in government intervention, who believed that the entire power industry should be a publicly owned utility. They saw the rise of Insull as auguring a new technological tyranny that threatened to capture the government. Their politics were out of season during the Roaring Twenties, but their moment would come soon enough.</p><p>Insull himself seemed blissfully unconcerned about his offstage enemies as they sharpened their knives. His wife Gladys had better instincts about such potentialities than he. An accomplished actress and autodidact in her own right, Gladys had become obsessed with the figure of Napoleon. After reading a series of biographies on his character and exploits, she noticed an uncanny similarity between the Corsican nobody who ascended to the throne of the French Empire and her ambitious husband. &#8220;Sam, you should learn about that man, and about what happened to him. If you don&#8217;t,&#8221; she repeatedly warned, &#8220;that&#8217;s what&#8217;s going to happen to you.&#8221; Insull brushed her warnings off as trouble brewed about him.</p><p>Meanwhile, Insull took his lessons from his war bond campaigns and applied them to the National Electric Light Association&#8217;s operations. In 1921, NELA&#8217;s national publicity-coordinating committee loosed a torrent of pro-utility propaganda: subsidizing teachers, reports, and school officials; putting on radio, church, club, school, and college programs hosted by utility spokesmen; ghost-writing news bulletins, editorials bylined by prominent citizens, pamphlets, textbooks, law reports, and circulars. NELA pursued every means of publicity, NELA&#8217;s publicity director remarked, &#8220;except skywriting.&#8221; Much of their material was disguised as objective evaluations from disinterested third parties. In Illinois, 75 percent of high schools used &#8220;industry-supported materials in their classrooms.&#8221;</p><div><hr></div><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!X0SI!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F5638ba08-bd61-4e10-b25d-814f9727a57f_1599x888.png" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!X0SI!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F5638ba08-bd61-4e10-b25d-814f9727a57f_1599x888.png 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!X0SI!,w_848,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F5638ba08-bd61-4e10-b25d-814f9727a57f_1599x888.png 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stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" class="lucide lucide-maximize2 lucide-maximize-2"><polyline points="15 3 21 3 21 9"></polyline><polyline points="9 21 3 21 3 15"></polyline><line x1="21" x2="14" y1="3" y2="10"></line><line x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a><figcaption class="image-caption">Coverage of the 1921 NELA convention in Chicago in the utility industry publication <em>Electrical World. </em>Electrical vehicles were one of many innovation displayed at the convetion. <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:1921_June_Electrical_World_Chicago_NELA_Convention.png">Source</a>.</figcaption></figure></div><div><hr></div><p>In addition to the more anodyne, self-aggrandizing industry boosterism, NELA&#8217;s national campaign focused on discouraging the public from pursuing municipal or public power strategies (deemed &#8220;socialistic&#8221;) along with any strengthening of the regulatory regime. They believed their own efforts a great success in this regard. One NELA member noted, &#8220;We&#8217;d all be in a hell of a shape&#8230;Without this, I venture to say that State, municipal, and Government ownership would have been 100 percent ahead of what it is today.&#8221; When it came to NELA&#8217;s strategy, Insull presented a Janus face. On one side, he cautioned the national publicity committee against being too &#8220;one-sided&#8221; lest they be accused of propagandizing or molding public opinion. On the other side, Insull said, &#8220;The public is in no position to judge service and rates when it knows nothing about the multitude of details involved in furnishing service.&#8221;</p><p>None of these sometimes-multi-million dollar campaigns came cheap for customers. Utilities, both independently and through NELA, simply charged publicity expenses as operating costs, recouped by increasing customers&#8217; bills. NELA&#8217;s managing director put it bluntly: &#8220;Don&#8217;t be afraid of the expense; the public pays the bills.&#8221; Such a credo cut against the cult of &#8220;service&#8221; upon which the industry had premised its good name; however, the public wasn&#8217;t aware that any of this was going on, and, moreover, rates stayed low. But where NELA made its worst misstep, and Insull with it, was in its ceaseless &#8220;customer ownership&#8221; campaigns that encouraged the acquisition of non-voting shares of utility stock (also known as &#8220;preferred stock&#8221;). Insull and his colleagues in the industry charged customers for propaganda that encouraged them to invest in the utility system&#8212;essentially, taking their money twice over.</p><p>To Insull, preferred stock served several purposes simultaneously. The country wanted more electrification, and everyone knew the utility industry was growing at a breakneck pace. Offering non-voting shares to customers let the public get in on the action, and the stock was both marketed and perceived as a kind of wealth redistribution through ownership. Customer ownership had a rhetorical genius to it. This tack catered to American cultural preferences for individual over public ownership and wedded well to the stock-crazed zeitgeist of the Jazz Age.</p><p>All of Insull&#8217;s stocks were listed on the New York Stock Exchange, and everyone from blue-collar factory workers to big Chicago bankers saw Insull as an infallible genius with a Midas touch for business. Everyone wanted a piece of the action. &#8220;If we issued a piece of brown paper with a signature on it, we could raise all the money we wanted to,&#8221; Insull said, looking back on the Twenties. He grew rich along with his stock-owners, however mean their station, and it was this aspect that built a political wall around utilities, protecting them from any attacks. Insull wasn&#8217;t a greedy fat cat, many thought, because he was offering the little guy a way to get ahead. And because so many people from so many walks of life owned utility stock, they looked askance at political attempts to interfere with their investments. Would-be &#8220;hostile voters&#8221; blossomed into &#8220;utility stakeholders.&#8221; These two factors sufficed for Insull to insist that customer ownership was vital to the industry&#8217;s long-term success.</p><div><hr></div><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!Vlz9!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F4e52f333-50f6-4831-aba3-c56797fd4a16_1566x1058.png" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!Vlz9!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F4e52f333-50f6-4831-aba3-c56797fd4a16_1566x1058.png 424w, 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These can still be purchased on eBay.</figcaption></figure></div><div><hr></div><p>But common stock&#8217;s most vital function for Insull, and for the industry at large, solved a major difficulty in the utility industry&#8217;s growth. By the 1920s, the utility industry was no longer a local game. As power lines attempted to cross into different states to secure greater efficiency and economies of scale, it became increasingly difficult for legal teams and engineers to navigate the patchwork of legal and technical variables between states. This also posed a problem for investors. Though state regulation had de-risked utility investment to a large degree, cautious bankers hesitated to loan out money to regional system expansion projects liable to run into confusing regulatory challenges. Various government planning strategies meant to resolve these problems failed. Insull&#8217;s solution, the public utility holding company, elegantly weaved in between these obstacles and created a path forward for the industry.</p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!yHPw!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fd694d803-7280-4162-9a05-198729bd3d7f_809x874.png" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!yHPw!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fd694d803-7280-4162-9a05-198729bd3d7f_809x874.png 424w, 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stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" class="lucide lucide-maximize2 lucide-maximize-2"><polyline points="15 3 21 3 21 9"></polyline><polyline points="9 21 3 21 3 15"></polyline><line x1="21" x2="14" y1="3" y2="10"></line><line x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a><figcaption class="image-caption">Map of ComEd stockholders circa 1922. <a href="https://www.jstor.org/stable/26568141">Source</a>. </figcaption></figure></div><p>A public utility holding company was a financial construct never before seen in America. Technically, it neither produced electricity nor served customers; &#8220;it controlled operating utilities that played that role,&#8221; yet there was &#8220;no clear threshold of the proportion of a company&#8217;s voting stock required for control or influence.&#8221; Thus, with less than $30 million invested, Insull could control over half a billion dollars in assets as well as most of the voting power. With a holding company, a utility could consolidate smaller, regional power and light companies under its control, which allowed holding companies to expand while skirting state regulation. For instance, a utility holding company headquartered in Illinois could own and operate a power and light company in Michigan, remaining answerable only to the Illinois state regulator. Holding companies sat at the top of pyramidal ownership structures&#8212;they were made from <em>and controlled</em> smaller companies. Holding companies thrived on preferred stock because it allowed utility companies to source capital and stabilize investments without having to respond to the wants and desires of preferred stock owners; their shares were non-voting.</p><p>The holding company strategy seemed to please everyone at once: utilities could grow without interference from stockowners or regulators; everyday people could get a financial leg up through wise investments in what were seen as stable companies with limitless potential; Insull himself could secure more capital without having to make a pilgrimage to New York. Predictably, common stock drove a second boom in the expansion of Insull&#8217;s domain. By the mid-1920s, Insull&#8217;s Middle West Utilities doubled in both size and sales, spreading its system into a third of the United States. In 1922, Commonwealth Edison was worth around $119 a share, but by 1929, the share price had leapt to $450. By mid-decade, utility bonds had grown into a billion-dollar-a-year-corner of the market. Insull could do no wrong, or so it appeared.</p><div><hr></div><p class="button-wrapper" data-attrs="{&quot;url&quot;:&quot;https://www.nuclearbarbarians.com/subscribe?&quot;,&quot;text&quot;:&quot;Subscribe now&quot;,&quot;action&quot;:null,&quot;class&quot;:null}" data-component-name="ButtonCreateButton"><a class="button primary" href="https://www.nuclearbarbarians.com/subscribe?"><span>Subscribe now</span></a></p><p class="button-wrapper" data-attrs="{&quot;url&quot;:&quot;https://www.nuclearbarbarians.com/p/samuel-insull-the-father-of-light-b45?utm_source=substack&utm_medium=email&utm_content=share&action=share&quot;,&quot;text&quot;:&quot;Share&quot;,&quot;action&quot;:null,&quot;class&quot;:null}" data-component-name="ButtonCreateButton"><a class="button primary" href="https://www.nuclearbarbarians.com/p/samuel-insull-the-father-of-light-b45?utm_source=substack&utm_medium=email&utm_content=share&action=share"><span>Share</span></a></p><div><hr></div><p></p>]]></content:encoded></item><item><title><![CDATA[Nuclear for Seven Generations ft. Scott Lathrop of Native Nuclear]]></title><description><![CDATA[On today&#8217;s episode, I spoke with Scott Lathrop, the Founder and Chief Executive Director of Native Nuclear. Like me, Scott sees nuclear power as a multi-generational infrastructure investment that serves as a sheet anchor for healthy communities and healthy economies.]]></description><link>https://www.nuclearbarbarians.com/p/nuclear-for-seven-generations-ft</link><guid isPermaLink="false">https://www.nuclearbarbarians.com/p/nuclear-for-seven-generations-ft</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[Emmet Penney]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Fri, 01 Aug 2025 13:02:26 GMT</pubDate><enclosure url="https://api.substack.com/feed/podcast/169752045/43af5f7ce1d3c39a53f504e894bc985d.mp3" length="0" type="audio/mpeg"/><content:encoded><![CDATA[<div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!6zK1!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F0353f2a3-6142-4c57-94f8-f309845202d8_716x476.png" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div 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But he brings a distinctly native perspective to nuclear that subverts stereotypes, just like the educational work his organization is doing in tribal energy politics. I learned a lot from Scott during this interview and I know you guys are going to enjoy it!</p><p>Check out Native Nuclear on <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/company/native-nuclear/">LinkedIn</a> and <a href="https://www.instagram.com/nativenuclear/">Instagram</a>. </p><div><hr></div><p class="button-wrapper" data-attrs="{&quot;url&quot;:&quot;https://www.nuclearbarbarians.com/p/nuclear-for-seven-generations-ft?utm_source=substack&utm_medium=email&utm_content=share&action=share&quot;,&quot;text&quot;:&quot;Share&quot;,&quot;action&quot;:null,&quot;class&quot;:null}" data-component-name="ButtonCreateButton"><a class="button primary" href="https://www.nuclearbarbarians.com/p/nuclear-for-seven-generations-ft?utm_source=substack&utm_medium=email&utm_content=share&action=share"><span>Share</span></a></p><p class="button-wrapper" data-attrs="{&quot;url&quot;:&quot;https://www.nuclearbarbarians.com/subscribe?&quot;,&quot;text&quot;:&quot;Subscribe now&quot;,&quot;action&quot;:null,&quot;class&quot;:null}" data-component-name="ButtonCreateButton"><a class="button primary" href="https://www.nuclearbarbarians.com/subscribe?"><span>Subscribe now</span></a></p><div><hr></div><p></p>]]></content:encoded></item><item><title><![CDATA[Samuel Insull: The Father of Light Pt. II]]></title><description><![CDATA[Natural Monopoly]]></description><link>https://www.nuclearbarbarians.com/p/samuel-insull-the-father-of-light-54d</link><guid isPermaLink="false">https://www.nuclearbarbarians.com/p/samuel-insull-the-father-of-light-54d</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[Emmet Penney]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Tue, 29 Jul 2025 13:01:19 GMT</pubDate><enclosure url="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!hH3X!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F7ab8178a-e514-4f44-a581-d7893f12573f_500x398.jpeg" length="0" type="image/jpeg"/><content:encoded><![CDATA[<div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!hH3X!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F7ab8178a-e514-4f44-a581-d7893f12573f_500x398.jpeg" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!hH3X!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F7ab8178a-e514-4f44-a581-d7893f12573f_500x398.jpeg 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!hH3X!,w_848,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F7ab8178a-e514-4f44-a581-d7893f12573f_500x398.jpeg 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!hH3X!,w_1272,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F7ab8178a-e514-4f44-a581-d7893f12573f_500x398.jpeg 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!hH3X!,w_1456,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F7ab8178a-e514-4f44-a581-d7893f12573f_500x398.jpeg 1456w" sizes="100vw"><img 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srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!hH3X!,w_424,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F7ab8178a-e514-4f44-a581-d7893f12573f_500x398.jpeg 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!hH3X!,w_848,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F7ab8178a-e514-4f44-a581-d7893f12573f_500x398.jpeg 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!hH3X!,w_1272,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F7ab8178a-e514-4f44-a581-d7893f12573f_500x398.jpeg 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!hH3X!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F7ab8178a-e514-4f44-a581-d7893f12573f_500x398.jpeg 1456w" sizes="100vw" fetchpriority="high"></picture><div class="image-link-expand"><div class="pencraft pc-display-flex pc-gap-8 pc-reset"><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container restack-image"><svg aria-hidden="true" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 20 20" fill="none" stroke-width="1.5" stroke="var(--color-fg-primary)" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg"><g><path d="M2.53001 7.81595C3.49179 4.73911 6.43281 2.5 9.91173 2.5C13.1684 2.5 15.9537 4.46214 17.0852 7.23684L17.6179 8.67647M17.6179 8.67647L18.5002 4.26471M17.6179 8.67647L13.6473 6.91176M17.4995 12.1841C16.5378 15.2609 13.5967 17.5 10.1178 17.5C6.86118 17.5 4.07589 15.5379 2.94432 12.7632L2.41165 11.3235M2.41165 11.3235L1.5293 15.7353M2.41165 11.3235L6.38224 13.0882"></path></g></svg></button><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container view-image"><svg xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 24 24" fill="none" stroke="currentColor" stroke-width="2" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" class="lucide lucide-maximize2 lucide-maximize-2"><polyline points="15 3 21 3 21 9"></polyline><polyline points="9 21 3 21 3 15"></polyline><line x1="21" x2="14" y1="3" y2="10"></line><line x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a><figcaption class="image-caption">&#8220;Samuel Insull standing next to former President Theodore Roosevelt during his visit to Chicago.&#8221; (1917) <a href="https://chhiso.ent.sirsi.net/client/en_US/public/search/detailnonmodal/ent:$002f$002fSD_ILS$002f0$002fSD_ILS:140208/one">Source.</a></figcaption></figure></div><div><hr></div><p><em><a href="https://nuclearbarbarians.substack.com/p/samuel-insull-the-father-of-light">Click here to read Part I of this series.</a> </em></p><div><hr></div><p>Chicago wasn&#8217;t enough for Insull. With his wingspan too broad and his ambition too large, he began to pressure his entire industry to adopt his perspective on the nature of the utility business. Monopoly wasn&#8217;t just right for him; it was right for all of them. If they did as he said, they could grow their territories beyond neighborhoods and cities.</p><p>To the members of the National Electric Light Association (the major trade group at the time), Insull argued that utilities were &#8220;natural monopolies,&#8221; meaning the &#8220;best service at the lowest possible price can only be obtained [&#8230;] by exclusive control of a given territory being placed in the hands of one undertaking.&#8221; Didn&#8217;t his success in Chicago prove it? He&#8217;d gotten rid of all that competition (and the waste and redundancy that came with it) and delivered low rates to even more people. Moreover, monopoly status would make it easier for them to get money from investors, who kept a tight grip on their money whenever they surveyed the chaotic, competitive world of electric power. It was a new industry; new meant risky; risky meant high borrowing costs for utilities.</p><p>Yet there was a curious twist in his argument: in order for &#8220;natural monopolies&#8221; to exist, the government had to formally recognize them as such and enshrine their status in law, which meant welcoming regulation with open arms. Insull&#8217;s vision of such a law would involve &#8220;a single operator be[ing] granted an exclusive franchise to provide electricity prices fixed by state commissions based on &#8216;cost plus reasonable profit.&#8217;&#8221; Competition would cease, customers would see their bills drop, and utility stocks and bonds would become enticing, unleashing a torrent of cheaper capital from banks. In exchange, utilities would bow to state-level regulatory commissions. At first, his peers scoffed. Welcoming regulation not only looked like bad business; it sounded downright un-American.</p><p>The current of the times flowed in Insull&#8217;s direction, however. At the turn of the century, a new political camp had emerged. The Progressive movement, under the imprimatur of which the contemporary activist still flies, stepped onto the scene. This band of elitist technocrats brought with them new and controversial assumptions about the nature of American politics. They lionized Abraham Lincoln, not as the Great Emancipator and defender of America&#8217;s founding principles, but as the founder of a centralized (white) nation-state. The Union Army&#8217;s victory, which relied on an increasingly centralized federal government, had disproven the Founding Fathers&#8217; belief in the efficacy of limited government. Through scientific management and bureaucracy, a rational state could be born, one more able to handle the novel challenges of industrialization and urbanization. A combination of German philosophy, Social Darwinism, and faith in science welded together to form their worldview.</p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!ziKy!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F5b0199b9-653d-490a-b438-6c70a7b23098_2096x1476.jpeg" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!ziKy!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F5b0199b9-653d-490a-b438-6c70a7b23098_2096x1476.jpeg 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!ziKy!,w_848,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F5b0199b9-653d-490a-b438-6c70a7b23098_2096x1476.jpeg 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class="pencraft pc-display-flex pc-gap-8 pc-reset"><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container restack-image"><svg aria-hidden="true" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 20 20" fill="none" stroke-width="1.5" stroke="var(--color-fg-primary)" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg"><g><path d="M2.53001 7.81595C3.49179 4.73911 6.43281 2.5 9.91173 2.5C13.1684 2.5 15.9537 4.46214 17.0852 7.23684L17.6179 8.67647M17.6179 8.67647L18.5002 4.26471M17.6179 8.67647L13.6473 6.91176M17.4995 12.1841C16.5378 15.2609 13.5967 17.5 10.1178 17.5C6.86118 17.5 4.07589 15.5379 2.94432 12.7632L2.41165 11.3235M2.41165 11.3235L1.5293 15.7353M2.41165 11.3235L6.38224 13.0882"></path></g></svg></button><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container view-image"><svg xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 24 24" fill="none" stroke="currentColor" stroke-width="2" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" class="lucide lucide-maximize2 lucide-maximize-2"><polyline points="15 3 21 3 21 9"></polyline><polyline points="9 21 3 21 3 15"></polyline><line x1="21" x2="14" y1="3" y2="10"></line><line x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a><figcaption class="image-caption">&#8220;Back row from left to right are: <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Bowie_Owens">Robert Bowie Owens</a>, <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Joseph_Carty">John Joseph Carty</a>, <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frank_Julian_Sprague">Frank J. Sprague</a>, <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Stanley,_Jr.">William Stanley</a>, <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Tait_McKenzie">Robert Tait McKenzie</a>. Front row from left to right are: <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samuel_Insull">Samuel Insull</a>, <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Walton_Clark">Walton Clark</a>, <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_Alva_Edison">Thomas Alva Edison</a> and his wife Mina Miller, <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chevalier_Van_Rappard">Chevalier Van Rappard</a>. This image was taken in Philadelphia on May 19, 1915 on the occasion of the awarding of the <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Franklin_Medal">Franklin Medal</a>.&#8221; <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Presentation_of_the_first_Franklin_Medal_in_Philadelphia_in_1915._Thomas_Edison_and_Mina_Edison_with_(standing),_D.R.B._Owens,_J_(2287c3af58e542258439dd02790c0303).jpg">Source</a>.</figcaption></figure></div><p>Progressives held many conflicting commitments. They supported such putatively egalitarian measures as income taxes, welfare, women&#8217;s suffrage, and the direct election of senators. At the same time, they harbored an hierarchical worldview marked with virulently racist ideas about eugenics. This anti-democratic streak also manifested in an almost religious faith in top-down scientific management and support for the prohibition of alcohol. On the whole, Progressives saw themselves as elite shepherds tasked with herding society through the harsh wilderness of <em>laissez-faire</em> capitalism and into the Edenic pasture of expert management and rational planning. Confronted with the new corporate behemoths of the industrial era, Progressives hoped the state could serve as a bulwark against the new rising challenge of unbridled corporate power that harvested private gain for the public good through government intervention.</p><p>&#8220;The aggrandizement of corporate and individual wealth,&#8221; wrote Progressive intellectual and co-founder of <em>The New Republic,</em> Herbert Croly, required &#8220;the regulation of commerce, the organization of labor, and the increasing control over property in the public interest&#8221; preferably by the government. Everyday people were not up to this task because the &#8220;average American individual&#8221; was &#8220;morally and intellectually inadequate to a serious and consistent conception of his responsibilities as a democrat.&#8221;</p><p>Progressive commitments to eliminating inefficiencies, &#8220;rationalizing&#8221; politics, and bolstering the government&#8217;s strength fit well with Insull&#8217;s vision of utilities as a natural, regulated monopoly. Especially because reducing the &#8220;waste&#8221; of competition complemented Progressives&#8217; porto-environmentalist concerns about conserving natural resources. Insull worked with Progressive stalwart and future Supreme Court Justice Louis Brandeis to publish a three-volume report on the utility industry and its regulatory framework. This 1907 report, largely funded by the utility industry, vindicated Insull&#8217;s regulated monopoly vision. Within months of its publication, it had inspired legislation that became law in Wisconsin and New York, establishing regulators in both states. Twenty-five other states followed suit, establishing their own utility commissions.</p><p>Once regulated, utilities were obligated to serve all within their fiefs without discrimination. This meant a tidal wave of new customers for kilowatts. To supply their demand, utilities could now avail themselves of the cheap capital needed to build newer, bigger power plants at &#8220;just and reasonable&#8221; rates that covered both operating costs and a return on their invested capital. Eminent domain and the legal eradication of competition were their rewards. Provided a utility could justify its asset purchases, it could recoup costs and turn a profit on them. In short, utilities got paid more to spend more.</p><div><hr></div><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!vCvi!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Ff2753275-b52d-4ebd-9f4b-73c471b1b2b4_842x676.png" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!vCvi!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Ff2753275-b52d-4ebd-9f4b-73c471b1b2b4_842x676.png 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!vCvi!,w_848,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Ff2753275-b52d-4ebd-9f4b-73c471b1b2b4_842x676.png 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!vCvi!,w_1272,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Ff2753275-b52d-4ebd-9f4b-73c471b1b2b4_842x676.png 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!vCvi!,w_1456,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Ff2753275-b52d-4ebd-9f4b-73c471b1b2b4_842x676.png 1456w" sizes="100vw"><img src="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!vCvi!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Ff2753275-b52d-4ebd-9f4b-73c471b1b2b4_842x676.png" width="602" height="483.3159144893112" data-attrs="{&quot;src&quot;:&quot;https://substack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com/public/images/f2753275-b52d-4ebd-9f4b-73c471b1b2b4_842x676.png&quot;,&quot;srcNoWatermark&quot;:null,&quot;fullscreen&quot;:null,&quot;imageSize&quot;:null,&quot;height&quot;:676,&quot;width&quot;:842,&quot;resizeWidth&quot;:602,&quot;bytes&quot;:865633,&quot;alt&quot;:null,&quot;title&quot;:null,&quot;type&quot;:&quot;image/png&quot;,&quot;href&quot;:null,&quot;belowTheFold&quot;:true,&quot;topImage&quot;:false,&quot;internalRedirect&quot;:&quot;https://www.nuclearbarbarians.com/i/168094175?img=https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Ff2753275-b52d-4ebd-9f4b-73c471b1b2b4_842x676.png&quot;,&quot;isProcessing&quot;:false,&quot;align&quot;:null,&quot;offset&quot;:false}" class="sizing-normal" alt="" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!vCvi!,w_424,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Ff2753275-b52d-4ebd-9f4b-73c471b1b2b4_842x676.png 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!vCvi!,w_848,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Ff2753275-b52d-4ebd-9f4b-73c471b1b2b4_842x676.png 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!vCvi!,w_1272,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Ff2753275-b52d-4ebd-9f4b-73c471b1b2b4_842x676.png 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!vCvi!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Ff2753275-b52d-4ebd-9f4b-73c471b1b2b4_842x676.png 1456w" sizes="100vw" loading="lazy"></picture><div class="image-link-expand"><div class="pencraft pc-display-flex pc-gap-8 pc-reset"><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container restack-image"><svg aria-hidden="true" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 20 20" fill="none" stroke-width="1.5" stroke="var(--color-fg-primary)" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg"><g><path d="M2.53001 7.81595C3.49179 4.73911 6.43281 2.5 9.91173 2.5C13.1684 2.5 15.9537 4.46214 17.0852 7.23684L17.6179 8.67647M17.6179 8.67647L18.5002 4.26471M17.6179 8.67647L13.6473 6.91176M17.4995 12.1841C16.5378 15.2609 13.5967 17.5 10.1178 17.5C6.86118 17.5 4.07589 15.5379 2.94432 12.7632L2.41165 11.3235M2.41165 11.3235L1.5293 15.7353M2.41165 11.3235L6.38224 13.0882"></path></g></svg></button><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container view-image"><svg xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 24 24" fill="none" stroke="currentColor" stroke-width="2" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" class="lucide lucide-maximize2 lucide-maximize-2"><polyline points="15 3 21 3 21 9"></polyline><polyline points="9 21 3 21 3 15"></polyline><line x1="21" x2="14" y1="3" y2="10"></line><line x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a><figcaption class="image-caption">Photograph of my hometown&#8217;s first power plant, owned by the Elmhurst Power &amp; Light Co. Insull purchased the plant in 1904. Source: <a href="https://assets.simpleviewinc.com/simpleview/image/upload/v1/clients/elmhurstil/History_Highlight_ElectricLightandPowerCodocx_4cd6a15c-e73c-4120-a33f-6ae72a973263.pdf">Elmhurst History Museum.</a></figcaption></figure></div><div><hr></div><p>But what did &#8220;just and reasonable&#8221; mean in practice? Who decided what constituted a fair return on fair value? The regulators who helmed the state power commissions, ostensibly. But discharging their regulatory duty proved no mean feat&#8212;discerning the &#8220;proper&#8221; rates often fell beyond the grasp of many state regulators because utility investments were so novel and complex. Two related problems arose: utilities&#8217; well-heeled, savvy lawyers could undermine any state commission&#8217;s claims regarding the &#8220;unjustness&#8221; or &#8220;unfairness&#8221; of utilities' investments or rates; and, as utilities grew by expanding their territories beyond state borders, they escaped any one state&#8217;s full regulation. Regulatory capture and evasion became standard features of the new regime.</p><p>Regardless, state regulation did deliver the promised economies of scale, birthing a political-regulatory framework that would endure for nearly a century. Men like Insull claimed their crowns as they watched their monopoly kingdoms expand and their generation grow while competition faded. Eventually, nearly every single state had its own utility commission. After state-regulated monopolies became the norm, the industry consolidated rapidly: the number of privately owned utilities dropped by half, while the average generation owned by the surviving utilities nearly sextupled. The entire industry now reflected Insull&#8217;s vision.</p><div><hr></div><div class="subscription-widget-wrap-editor" data-attrs="{&quot;url&quot;:&quot;https://www.nuclearbarbarians.com/subscribe?&quot;,&quot;text&quot;:&quot;Subscribe&quot;,&quot;language&quot;:&quot;en&quot;}" data-component-name="SubscribeWidgetToDOM"><div class="subscription-widget show-subscribe"><div class="preamble"><p class="cta-caption">Nuclear Barbarians is a reader-supported publication. To receive new posts and support my work, consider becoming a free or paid subscriber.</p></div><form class="subscription-widget-subscribe"><input type="email" class="email-input" name="email" placeholder="Type your email&#8230;" tabindex="-1"><input type="submit" class="button primary" value="Subscribe"><div class="fake-input-wrapper"><div class="fake-input"></div><div class="fake-button"></div></div></form></div></div><div><hr></div><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!c-zq!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F70ad4db4-2bf9-4cc7-8030-bb9f5d9d2491_1599x1082.jpeg" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" 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class="image-link-expand"><div class="pencraft pc-display-flex pc-gap-8 pc-reset"><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container restack-image"><svg aria-hidden="true" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 20 20" fill="none" stroke-width="1.5" stroke="var(--color-fg-primary)" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg"><g><path d="M2.53001 7.81595C3.49179 4.73911 6.43281 2.5 9.91173 2.5C13.1684 2.5 15.9537 4.46214 17.0852 7.23684L17.6179 8.67647M17.6179 8.67647L18.5002 4.26471M17.6179 8.67647L13.6473 6.91176M17.4995 12.1841C16.5378 15.2609 13.5967 17.5 10.1178 17.5C6.86118 17.5 4.07589 15.5379 2.94432 12.7632L2.41165 11.3235M2.41165 11.3235L1.5293 15.7353M2.41165 11.3235L6.38224 13.0882"></path></g></svg></button><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container view-image"><svg xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 24 24" fill="none" stroke="currentColor" stroke-width="2" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" class="lucide lucide-maximize2 lucide-maximize-2"><polyline points="15 3 21 3 21 9"></polyline><polyline points="9 21 3 21 3 15"></polyline><line x1="21" x2="14" y1="3" y2="10"></line><line x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a><figcaption class="image-caption">The Illinois Council of Defense. <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Council_of_National_Defense_-_Illinois_State_Council_of_Defense_-_NARA_-_26432775.jpg">Source.</a></figcaption></figure></div><div><hr></div><p>No doubt, Insull&#8217;s star was rising, though his profile remained confined to the Midwestern region in which he headquartered his business. The outbreak of the Great War, however, would change all of that, vaulting him onto the national stage. Thanks to wartime production and wartime shortages, Insull would snatch up industrial customers impossible to sell power to before, exploding consumption of his product. And it was through his participation in the war effort that he learned the advertising and public relations skills that would help him cement his empire&#8212;and then raze it to rubble.</p><p>A fraught suture-work of alliances held Europe together in its imperial era. The logic of the continent&#8217;s international relations sought d&#233;tente through these alliances: all knew a conflict between any of the major powers could foment into a global conflagration, the potential for which served as its own deterrent. Yet the imperial era had also inspired widespread nationalist movements within smaller countries that sought to regain their sovereignty and to retain their ethnic identities which the homogenizing pressure of empire now threatened. These nationalist movements hazarded the tense peace Europe had delicately maintained, then shattered it.</p><p>In June of 1914, a young member of a Serbian ultranationalist group assassinated the presumptive heir to the Austro-Hungarian throne, Archduke Franz Ferdinand and his wife, Sophie, the Duchess of Hohenberg. A diplomatic crisis spilled over into the next month and eventually crested into war. As their western brethren fixed their bayonets, many Americans looked on in horror and aversion&#8212;why should they join Europe&#8217;s fight? Despite initial reluctance, the magnetic pull of Western conflict drew hundreds of thousands of American troops across the Atlantic and into the trenches.</p><p>Insull&#8217;s reputation positioned him to assume greater civic leadership when American entered the war in 1917. Upon America&#8217;s declaration of war, Illinois Governor Frank Lowden asked Insull to chair the state&#8217;s Council of Defense. President Woodrow Wilson envisioned each state forming a National Council of Defense dedicated to spying on German-Americans. Insull assumed the role in Illinois, but had no interest in violating the civil liberties of a large portion of his customer base. Since the mid-19<sup>th</sup> century, Chicago, and the Midwest more generally, had been a bastion of German immigrants. Instead of targeting Germans in particular, Insell gathered together business and civic leaders to propagandize the war through public relations and the sale of Liberty bonds. His boosterism proved successful. Insull whipped up a bloodthirsty furor for war by creating one of the most organized, ruthless, and precise PR campaigns Americans had ever witnessed.</p><p>By the end of 1917, Insull had instantiated an hourly schedule of pro-war public gatherings in churches, public buildings, schools, and households in every single community across the state of Illinois to encourage the &#8220;appreciation of the ideals of true patriotism and love of country&#8221; and &#8220;proper war spirit.&#8221; His efforts even birthed a national agency called the &#8220;Four-Minute Men,&#8221; who turned out a slate of speakers to preach a four-minute pro-war gospel to theater audiences. This experiment soon gained national uptake once Insull&#8217;s compatriots learned of its success in Chicago, where Insull&#8217;s 2,000 speakers addressed 700,000 people a week. By war&#8217;s end, the national ranks of the Four-Minute Men had swelled to 75,000. Insull became America&#8217;s propagandist-in-chief.</p><div><hr></div><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!jRXo!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F8029531f-d8e3-4961-8412-cbf7fbe62248_8489x5662.jpeg" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!jRXo!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F8029531f-d8e3-4961-8412-cbf7fbe62248_8489x5662.jpeg 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!jRXo!,w_848,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F8029531f-d8e3-4961-8412-cbf7fbe62248_8489x5662.jpeg 848w, 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class="image-link-expand"><div class="pencraft pc-display-flex pc-gap-8 pc-reset"><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container restack-image"><svg aria-hidden="true" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 20 20" fill="none" stroke-width="1.5" stroke="var(--color-fg-primary)" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg"><g><path d="M2.53001 7.81595C3.49179 4.73911 6.43281 2.5 9.91173 2.5C13.1684 2.5 15.9537 4.46214 17.0852 7.23684L17.6179 8.67647M17.6179 8.67647L18.5002 4.26471M17.6179 8.67647L13.6473 6.91176M17.4995 12.1841C16.5378 15.2609 13.5967 17.5 10.1178 17.5C6.86118 17.5 4.07589 15.5379 2.94432 12.7632L2.41165 11.3235M2.41165 11.3235L1.5293 15.7353M2.41165 11.3235L6.38224 13.0882"></path></g></svg></button><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container view-image"><svg xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 24 24" fill="none" stroke="currentColor" stroke-width="2" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" class="lucide lucide-maximize2 lucide-maximize-2"><polyline points="15 3 21 3 21 9"></polyline><polyline points="9 21 3 21 3 15"></polyline><line x1="21" x2="14" y1="3" y2="10"></line><line x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a><figcaption class="image-caption">Movie Star and member of the Four Minutemen Douglas Fairbanks addressed New York crowd. <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Four_Minute_Men#/media/File:111-SC-16569_-_NARA_-_55193236.jpg">Source</a>. </figcaption></figure></div><div><hr></div><p>On the material side, the tumult of war delivered to Insull a prize he had coveted for decades: factories. Heavy industry was a power-hungry business, a coal-hungry business. But factories jealously guarded their private power plants, not just because the plants were affordable, but because owning a private plant conferred greater control. Why surrender to an outside force that could affect the bottom line with unfavorable electricity rates, especially when coal was so cheap? But if the price of coal climbed to a steep enough peak, then heavy industry&#8217;s private power plants would be rendered uneconomical, since they were small and less efficient than those of the utility industry. Again, electricity was a game of scale.</p><p>During WWI, American manufacturing took off as US exports to Europe tripled. With the breakneck pace of production, coal prices tripled. The increasing price of coal made economies of scale undeniable. By 1918, Commonwealth Edison&#8217;s power plants could crank out a kilowatt-hour per every 2.5 pounds of coal, while the small private plants housed in factories needed about 9 pounds of coal to produce the same. In the face of skyrocketing demand and the tightness of supply, engineers, the press, and ultimately the American government adopted Insull&#8217;s view: factories had to forego their private plants and buy electricity from utilities. To pressure factories to make the switch, the federal government intervened in the market and prioritized allocating coal to utilities, delivering industrial customers directly into the hands of Insull.</p><p>The war ended in 1918, with Insull as one of its major victors. After the armistice, the Army, engineers, and industry insiders ratified the new consensus: electricity was best procured from vast, interconnected utilities. Insull explained to San Franciscans in 1918 that the &#8220;lightless nights&#8221; and &#8220;heatless days&#8221; of the war years had taught Americans that vertically integrated monopolies were an economic necessity. Insull was now the national face of the most revolutionary industry Americans had witnessed since the railroad.</p><p>Cultural and political shifts also moved in Insull&#8217;s favor as America put the war years behind them and entered the Roaring Twenties. Progressives, Insull&#8217;s allies in the push for regulation, received a huge blow to their credibility and the cause of government intervention, which many associated with the war effort. Then, the Soviet Revolution sparked a Red Scare in 1919, which provoked a wave of hostility to bureaucracy of all kinds, at the same time that post-war disillusionment was turning some reformers away from their old cause. The call for limited government grew louder, as did a personal animus toward the federal government when Prohibition, an elite project pursued by a small band of moral crusaders, served as many citizens&#8217; first individual engagement with federal power. Prohibition caused a ripple effect that sharpened Americans&#8217; suspicion of the government&#8217;s intentions. Better to distrust government, Americans reasoned, and place faith back in private hands.</p><div><hr></div><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!1Vcd!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fee76f7ed-bac3-4f6b-98cc-2f16bab96559_1600x900.png" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!1Vcd!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fee76f7ed-bac3-4f6b-98cc-2f16bab96559_1600x900.png 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!1Vcd!,w_848,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fee76f7ed-bac3-4f6b-98cc-2f16bab96559_1600x900.png 848w, 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As President Calvin Coolidge put it, &#8220;The man who builds a factory builds a temple. The man who works there, worships there.&#8221; The people were inclined to agree. The country roared into the prosperity of the 1920s&#8212;a glamorous decade of jazz, flapper dresses, champagne, and stock market fever.</p><p>Insull&#8217;s war-won mastery of PR and advertising, his newly minted national profile, a booming market, and an ascendent public trust in private industry blew powerful gales that would send him sailing into <em>terra incognita. </em>He was sixty-three by war&#8217;s end and he still had new domains to conquer.</p><div><hr></div><p class="button-wrapper" data-attrs="{&quot;url&quot;:&quot;https://www.nuclearbarbarians.com/subscribe?&quot;,&quot;text&quot;:&quot;Subscribe now&quot;,&quot;action&quot;:null,&quot;class&quot;:null}" data-component-name="ButtonCreateButton"><a class="button primary" href="https://www.nuclearbarbarians.com/subscribe?"><span>Subscribe now</span></a></p><p class="button-wrapper" data-attrs="{&quot;url&quot;:&quot;https://www.nuclearbarbarians.com/p/samuel-insull-the-father-of-light-54d?utm_source=substack&utm_medium=email&utm_content=share&action=share&quot;,&quot;text&quot;:&quot;Share&quot;,&quot;action&quot;:null,&quot;class&quot;:null}" data-component-name="ButtonCreateButton"><a class="button primary" href="https://www.nuclearbarbarians.com/p/samuel-insull-the-father-of-light-54d?utm_source=substack&utm_medium=email&utm_content=share&action=share"><span>Share</span></a></p><div><hr></div><p></p>]]></content:encoded></item></channel></rss>